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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julie Bindel bullying Posie

409 replies

LiterallyProblematic · 17/01/2020 08:16

FFS! Why did a she have to do this? It’s so divisive and gratuitously mean!
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1217986645871546368?s=20

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Childrenofthestones · 19/01/2020 19:00

RoyalCorgi
I agree. But it confirms my opinion of Twitter. It seems to be an arena for insults.......

Not called the Twaterati for nothing.

AnyFucker · 19/01/2020 20:38

It's a hard time to be a lesbian at the moment and I particularly fear for young lesbians

I absolutely agree with you on this

Cascade220 · 19/01/2020 20:47

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HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 19/01/2020 21:07

Sapphos - are you still trying to track down the FWR posts that called you selfish or have you given up on that?

SapphosRock · 19/01/2020 21:23

I'm a big fan of Julie Bindel so no doubt share lots opinions with many others on this thread. Also happen to share Julie's (and most other feminists) negative opinion of Posie Parker.

Makes me laugh that this entirely justifiable opinion is greeted with such hostility on a feminism forum.

SapphosRock · 19/01/2020 21:46

FFS Horse could you not just read the thread I posted? There's at least 20+ posts about gay people being selfish for wanting children.

'Satisfying the wants of the parent rather than the needs of the child'

Is there a clearer way to sum up 'selfish' than the above?

And no I am not claiming FWR is a hive mind and everyone on here thinks like this but as you can clearly see some people do.

Julie Bindel bullying Posie
Julie Bindel bullying Posie
nolongersurprised · 19/01/2020 21:54

Also happen to share Julie's (and most other feminists) negative opinion of Posie Parker.

Do you think this detracts from Posie’s - highly visible and effective - work pushing back against the TRA agenda? Do you think she cares?

Goosefoot · 19/01/2020 22:08

What they are saying is actually that the argument, the idea that x must be allowed or this group of people won't be able to have kids, implies a selfish motive. Which is rather different than calling particular individuals selfish. People do make that argument, and when it is counter the idea that something is not in kids best interests, it is just saying - what is right for kids is irrelevant if it would affect the ability of these people to have kids.

It's inherently a selfish argument.

There are many people, for example, who think international adoptions are usually detrimental to children in important ways and should be avoided. You can disagree and say, no, they aren't, and maybe have some reasons to support that POV - not a selfish argument. If you say, on the other hand, these things you are saying about the child's best interests aren't the point, the point is that it would mean childless well-off western couples can't adopt, or gay men don't have as much chance to adopt - that is a selfish argument. It is about the good of the parents rather than that of the kids.

Creepster · 19/01/2020 23:00

FYI,Woman bashing isn't actually one of the tenets of Feminism.

Creepster · 19/01/2020 23:00

Also too and besides, there is no misogynist wing of the Feminist movement.

Creepster · 19/01/2020 23:03

Apologies for the serial posting but stop a mo, please, and consider why selfish seems to be such a buzzword and negative indictment.

stumbledin · 19/01/2020 23:14

Sorry to interrupt what seems to have become a different discussion but just thought I would post this link that wants to suggest that gender critical feminism is falling apart.

Not that I think anything publised by Pink News is of any value, but unfortunately MSM uses PN as the go to source for news on trans issues etc.. Waiting to see if this is picked up.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jan/18/question-time-clash-lecturer-tells-of-hate-mail

GrinitchSpinach · 20/01/2020 00:01

Creepster, I think I love you!

The NYC event seems to have gone off without a hitch. I am so glad! More power to all the women gathering to defend our rights and those of our daughters.

Staffori · 20/01/2020 00:50

Sorry, I haven't read this thread very carefully but in case it hasn't been said, PP did retract her statement that women who identify as men should be sterilised and she never said anything about 'forcibly' sterilised in the first place.

I recall the reason she gave for her retraction was that sterilisation is permanent but that that many such women do in fact detransition. Basically, her opinion is that women who reject womanhood and claim to be men, shouldn't become mothers. I reckon that's an opinion shared by many and it's one I tentatively agree with but it does NOT mean that I support forcible prevention either.

I consider both PP and JB to be friends, by the way.

SapphosRock · 20/01/2020 07:01

Don't worry @Staffori there's been plenty of posts on this thread excusing, minimising and denying Posie said trans men should be be sterilised. And of course she retracted it (after repeating it multiple times on various different social media platforms) which makes it okay...

Basically, her opinion is that women who reject womanhood and claim to be men, shouldn't become mothers. I reckon that's an opinion shared by many and it's one I tentatively agree with

What makes you agree with this? And how on earth can you justify it seeing as being transgender is a protected characteristic along with religion, disability, sexuality etc?

exLtEveDallas · 20/01/2020 07:38

being transgender is a protected characteristic

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, not being transgender.

SapphosRock · 20/01/2020 07:44

To be protected from gender reassignment discrimination, you do not need to have undergone any specific treatment or surgery to change from your birth sex to your preferred gender. This is because changing your physiological or other gender attributes is a personal process rather than a medical one.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/gender-reassignment-discrimination

Lordfrontpaw · 20/01/2020 07:46

exLtEveDallas - I think whilst technically that comment want right, in reality yes, yes it is...

PaleBlueMoonlight · 20/01/2020 09:22

Isn't the point that having children is an act that only women can do, therefore a transman who becomes pregnant is demonstrating that they are in fact a woman. No question. It entirely undermines the claim to be a man. Of course, this assumes that your definitions of man and woman are based upon reproductive function, rather than a mix of "gender identity" and secondary sexual characteristics.

Stormer · 20/01/2020 09:30

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BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF · 20/01/2020 09:36

I must have missed the right to parenthood being included in the equality act?

Anyway - some disabilities are incompatible with parenthood, some religions are best not passed on to the next generation. Some people include paedophilia as a sexual orientation, and I'm pretty sure most of the population think that is incompatible with parenthood.

SapphosRock · 20/01/2020 09:48

BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF

What exactly makes being transgender incompatible with parenthood? Posters keep making this claim but cannot say why.

BeyondFlubeInclusionaryRF · 20/01/2020 10:04

I already said upthread, I can understand how someone may think that the kind of behaviour seen on the transwidows thread shows an inherent selfishness that does not bode well for children. You said so much yourself, didn't you?

And then I can also understand how to some people the idea of gaslighting a child from birth that mummy is actually daddy - or vice versa - is not in a child's best interests.

HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 20/01/2020 10:05

FFS Horse could you not just read the thread I posted?

FFS Sappho you have posted a screenshot of a post from hearhoovesthinkzebras which pissed you off. All I can say is:

Welcome to the club.

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