"Mumsnet statement on moderation with regard to..."

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@MNHQ, I am wondering if the statement sticky at the top of this section needs a new, more accurate, less misleading title.

A large part of the difficulty that women encounter in discussing these issues comes from the framing of the issue as being about 'trans rights'. This implies that feminists are arguing against the equal rights of trans people, which of course isn't the case at all. It also disregards the fact that women and their rights have any stake in the issues being discussed - it makes it all about trans people having rights, or not having rights, and to the casual, uninformed observer that reinforces the TRA narrative that women are a privileged class denying the rights of oppressed transwomen.

In fact, women are the historically and systemically disadvantaged sex class, and so ha e a very large stake in legal and social understanding of sex and gender.

Might you give some consideration to changing the thread name (and OP as appropriate) to "...discussion of sex and gender" rather than "discussion of trans rights"?

OP what a great idea- now that you've articulated it, it seems so obvious.
Well said.
I'm not anti-trans rights at all and have no wish to diminish them, unless it reaches a point where it diminishes my rights. And that's where I draw a line.
I have an inalienable right to defend my own (hard won) rights to female sexed spaces public and private. And defence is not the same as attack, in the lexicon of any mature adult.

Just lying here, imagining a 2020 surprise when I click on and see the pinned post now read 'Mumsnet is proud to support women talking freely about women's rights, and about the safeguarding of children, teens and young people.'

Thanks DickKerr I have reported my post.

Glad that others agree the current title misrepresents the discussion.

The difference in optics (and more importantly, accuracy!!!) between "people who aren't trans, debating trans rights" and "people who are female, discussing what it means to be female, and why that definition matters" is massive.

Allowing the 'debate' to be framed in the former terms, rather than the latter, is an insulting misrepresentation of women's concerns, and not something a feminist discussion board should be reinforcing.

Agree with this suggestion.

Also:

Remove the demands that impact on women's rights, support child + teen wellbeing and safeguarding, and support freedom of speech and association, and I have virtually nil to say on the subject.

My feelings precisely

Agree. Needs changing

Yes

Also yes.

Just adding another 'yes' to this suggestion. It makes me angry every time I see that message. On a women's rights board, to have a message telling us we need to prioritize men's feelings when discussing their infringement on our rights, oh the irony! We're here to discuss women's rights and how gender ideology impacts them, this fact should not be framed in the terms of our abusers.

Has anyone reported this thread to make sure MNHQ see it?

Totally agree, it’s misleading.

Very much agree with this proposal.

Agree.

Adding an agreement (I lurk on these boards a lot and am in awe of a lot of you and thank you for raising my awareness on this)

The difference in optics (and more importantly, accuracy!!!) between "people who aren't trans, debating trans rights" and "people who are female, discussing what it means to be female, and why that definition matters" is massive.

^^this.

And the tide is turning. HQ could easily turn with it.

Agree. Needs changing.

I'm on the app, I haven't even seen this sticky. That seems a bit odd.

I agree: great suggestion.

Agreed. Though I also think the rules should never have been created in the first place, and have done more harm than good. If general talk guidelines are deemed insufficient then the question people should be asking themselves in why they believe one group, and only one group, should be insulted from criticism in a way no other group is.

Agree

Agree as well.

Insulated, rather. Which is difficult when the group in question tend to interpret anything other than fawning as an insult.

Agree

Another big yes.