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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Slogans!

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xxyzz · 26/12/2019 08:34

This thread is about slogans, and the need for them.

I've commented previously that one of the great strengths the TRAs currently possess is that they have had several years to frame the debate on their own terms, before most feminists were even aware that there was an issue, and in particular, to devise and propagate widely used and certain easy-to-remember slogans.

As others have pointed out, TWAW is extremely effective at ending discusssion. It pithily expresses an easy-to-understand point, but requires dense and not-easy-to-follow text to argue against.

Given that most social media interactions are brief, people are busy, and not necessarily particularly bright, and given that TWAW has been out there as a 'truth' for years, GC feminists are facing an uphill struggle to explain in similarly pithy, simple language why it is wrong.

Which brings me to SLOGANS.

GC feminists need to be redefining the debate with our own, equally, or more effective slogans. These need to explain our key points using simple words that everyone understands, and they need to be repeated relentlessly- as TWAW has been. The success of 'Get Brexit done' as a slogan - and the Tories religiously on-message use of it throughout the election campaign- was a big part of their recent success. Just as 'Take Back Control'was a hugely effective slogan before the referendum in 2016.

The importance of slogans should not be under-estimated.

FWIW, I don't think 'Women are Adult Human Females' is a successful slogan at all. Because:

a) It sounds utterly batshit to anyone not already following the debate - of course women are adult human females!
b) It allows TRAs to continue to frame the debate in terms of a discussion over who is a woman. When actually, this is something that has been known for thousands of years and even a toddler could tell you. We should not be arguing primarily on their territory. It does us no favours.
c) Most importantly, it ignores women's main issues with TRA claims. We are not arguing over terminology, we are arguing over women's and children's SAFETY and RIGHTS.The terminology matters only insofar as it is being used to undermine that safety and those rights. But by putting the cart before the horse, we have lost most of our audience, who don't follow us long enough past the batshitttery to find out WHY we care about the terminology.

So I think we need slogans that go back to basics.

We need slogans that fight on our own territory and frame the debate through our own eyes, not through the eyes of those intent on dismantling women's rights.

I would suggest that what we need are slogans that simply and clearly point out and go on the offensive over misogyny and attacks on women's rights - as feminists have always done.

Please suggest your effective slogans below. Sure that we can crowdsourced some better slogans than we have currently.

Over to you...

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RaininSummer · 27/12/2019 16:22

Havent read whole thread but I want to get across the 'be who you want but sex doesnt change' idea so things like 'men in frocks rock' a la Bowie etc, 'girls like short hair too', 'pink is just a colour'. Lame but not good at this.

AppleJane · 27/12/2019 16:29

With respect, I'm not sure Bowie is a good example considering the accusations that he slept with 14 year old fans.

Fraggling · 27/12/2019 17:09

Well it highlights that he was a man, however he dressed.

AppleJane · 27/12/2019 17:37

True. Well in that case then how about using a picture of gary glitter with the slogan not everything that glitters is brave and stunning.

shedquarters · 27/12/2019 17:52

What about the old 'NO MEANS NO' slogan.

NO MEANS NO - knobs go home

NO MEANS NO - Resist The Gender Agenda

A bit 1980s I know, but I have had a few glasses of wine now and am getting carried away.

Datun · 27/12/2019 18:08

No knobs in our bogs?

😊

Kantastic · 27/12/2019 18:17

I agree with the people who think the problem is that women don't know about AGP. So they make overly-generous assumptions about what motivates transwomen, because they are aware there's something there to explain. And then they're extremely sympathetic to the person they've unconsciously just projected a lot of their own emotional stuff onto.

Destroy the mystery. My suggestion would be Sometimes It's Hard to be a Woman, with a little logo of an erection covered by lacy knickers, and a link to a website with information about AGP.

Kantastic · 27/12/2019 18:24

Ooh, you could also use an actual photo of Emelia the American politician with the knobbly... knees, you know the one, as the logo with that slogan.

MedusasButterDish · 27/12/2019 18:46

No knobs in our bogs

I like that, especially as no-one but a pervert would call a little boy or baby boy's penis a "knob". Smile

Thinkingabout1t · 27/12/2019 18:54

Cis my Arse - best slogan ever.
Winegummybear rules!
Crown Grin

Iturnedmyfaceaway · 27/12/2019 20:02

All these examples of saying the opposite of what you mean are not going to work.

“be who you want but sex doesnt change” has potential.

“Men can be anything” with a suitable image would work well?

I still like “born in your own body”

MyMajesty · 27/12/2019 20:53

"Only men can be transwomen"

Also

"Most transwomen have a penis"

Cismyfatarse1 · 27/12/2019 22:00

If you want to know what a woman is, ask your mother.

popehilarious · 27/12/2019 22:10

Interesting thread. I see the reasoning behind the OP but none of these slogans are working for me (some are making me cringe - sorry! and some would seem to be a reaction to existing TRA nonsense). I can't think of anything snappy that would've driven the point home except for the very simple principle that I come back to time and again.

Sex matters.

No matter what else I try and think, believe, feel - I can't get away from the fact that women are oppressed due to our sex and everything else stems from there.

popehilarious · 27/12/2019 22:14

Sorry had skimmed the thread - there are some that I agree highlight important principles.

If you can’t see sex, you can’t see sexism
Something along the lines of 'you don't have to be feminine to be female, or female to be feminine'

PencilsInSpace · 27/12/2019 23:18

One of the oldest slogans which goes straight to the heart of the matter is #SexNotGender.

Hashtags can be really powerful if you can get lots of people to use just a few of them. E.g. #LabourLosingWomen has been very useful because anyone searching that will find a whole archive going back several years of ways the party has shat on women and lost their votes and membership.

You can't be scattergun with hashtags though. There's no point in thinking up loads of new ones and launching them all at once. They only work if lots of people use them so you need a very few with wide appeal and don't dismiss what's already there. I think #ThisIsNotADrill is one of the more powerful ones at the moment.

People do need to know about AGP and it's just about the most censored aspect of this debate. There was a thread recently where the OP, who identified as trans, clarified that the acceptable term for AGP is 'Female Embodiment Fantasy' - FEF.

Antibles · 28/12/2019 00:02

I though the picture Medusa posted of the man peeping over the wall of the bogs was highly effective.

It sums up for me what everybody, no matter how they protest, knows to be true about the risk of one sex to the other.

As for the pithy short phrases I like CisMyArse (somebody's excellent username, no?) FactsNotFeelings, BiologyIsNotBigotry and SexNotGender

Antibles · 28/12/2019 00:05

I also love the logic of: Only a Man Can Be a Transwoman. The obvious quick answer to TWAW is surely TWAM.

cordeliaflynne · 28/12/2019 00:42

I can't quite make it short and pithy enough for a slogan but something like "if you have to force your way into women's spaces then you are a predatory man"

Antibles · 28/12/2019 01:16

There's AGP and there's gender dysphoria. No other concepts are needed. Therefore, complete the pithy three worder accordingly:

Trans is **

Antibles · 28/12/2019 01:33

#EmperorsNewClothes

Creepster · 28/12/2019 01:43

I expect this to get me my third strike.

Transgender advocacy maintains the social hierarchy while redefining homophobia and misogyny as progressive.

Pronouns cannot function as correction fluid for those who are dissatisfied with reality.

Replacing sex with gender is like replacing modern medicine with hopes and prayers. Believing it yourself is foolish but demanding that others share your beliefs is inexcusable.

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xxyzz · 28/12/2019 04:22

So many great ideas.

Antibles - think you spotted some of my favourites too.

I wondered about Emperor's New Clothes too, as that sums up the whole thing for me. We are all being sold lies about the ability to change biological sex which are obviously untrue even to a young child. And yet (nearly) everyone is afraid to call this out. It also encapsulates two other ideas - that those insisting that TWAW are like Emperors ie powerful men (as opposed to the supposedly terribly vulnerable TW we are always being told about) who insist on dictating to others. And that those men demonstrate that power over the rest of us by literally insisting that we accept their clothes = reality.

And the whole point of the well-known story is about enforced adherence to fiction over fact, and the dangers of groupthink.

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xxyzz · 28/12/2019 04:24

So I think it provides a handy mental shortcut and fits in three words!

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