Liverpool Women's hospital no longer has female toilets

[Themyscira]

I just read this on twitter - the Women's hospital in Liverpool has removed all female toilets and changed them to gender neutral toilets. All the men's toilets have remained the same.

This has been confirmed by hospital staff.

twitter.com/LiverpoolReSis1/status/1208734283885666306?s=19

I know this hasn't been posted on for a few weeks but I was at the hospital recently and took photos for anyone interested.

Is that adjacent toilets, one toilet constructed for people with an urethra positioned on a flexible, forward facing tissue, that toilet still reserved for their use, and one toilet, constructed for those humans with a downward pointing urethra, embedded in their vaginal wall, but that toilet now shared with everyone?

And the NHS claims it has no money....... what a complete waste

If it's genuinely just one loo, with just 3 cubicles, in a huge hospital with hundreds of single sex loos, then actually I think this is a good thing. It means trans people and anyone who defines as nonbinary has an option where they won't be challenged, and can feel safer than they would in the men's, and conversely where women won't be intimidated by someone clearly natally male in their spaces. It's what needs to happen if we're to retain single sex provision. Third spaces.

And yes, obviously the men's should have been the one converted. But they only had to change a sign on ours, as opposed to completely refiguring - and for once, this will be a hospital with huge numbers of women's loos and very few men's, given it's a women's hospital.

so OK, but where is the sign to the alternative toilet that is women only? where women won't be intimidated by someone clearly natally male in their spaces. Without that it seems disrespectful/tine wasting. In this case it isn’t much about the safety of the men or women, because it’s loos in a busy hospital, it’s about respect at a stressful time (it’s a hospital) and about women having to queue for longer than men.

I go to a hospital every two weeks. Have had to visit hospitals all the time for 18 months now. Never had to queue at all. Hospitals tend to be pretty good on ample loo provision.

I'm worried about the Forstater case, and Fair Cop, and Safe Schools Alliance, and the Tavistock. I'm worried about removing women's loos, and especially changing areas, and making provision unisex across the board. I'm not worried about the creation of a proportionate-to-population number of loos for trans and NB people, though it would of course be preferable if the men's loos were the ones sacrificed, as they don't have the same clear need for single sex provision. But this fight is not winnable if we refuse to allow alternative provision to happen, either. If we want natal provision retained, we have to be able to point to an alternative. I think this is what that alternative looks like.

The problem is that the whole point of the push is for validation and for getting rid of boundaries women need. Even if other alternatives are there, they will not be used by those who want the above

I think I agree with both Angry and Perfect. I agree that 3rd spaces are fine, for non-binary people and also for cross-sex carers (dads and daughters for instance).
It’s the accommodation of one group without the respect to the other that annoys.
For instance, that sign. The sign with a direction to the female toilet elsewhere is what makes the “all genders” toilet the third space rather than “THIS IS OURS NOW” and lump it.

Make sure every woman gets a complimentary funnel and it's fine