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Liverpool Women's hospital no longer has female toilets

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Themyscira · 22/12/2019 13:24

I just read this on twitter - the Women's hospital in Liverpool has removed all female toilets and changed them to gender neutral toilets. All the men's toilets have remained the same.

This has been confirmed by hospital staff.

twitter.com/LiverpoolReSis1/status/1208734283885666306?s=19

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loserssaywhat · 22/12/2019 15:30

I live near hear so there's a very real chance I might need those facilities in the future.
What can we actually do?
I'm ready to start doing something instead of sat at home thinking it's something that's going to happen in the future, it's happening now and I feel very helpless.

cwg1 · 22/12/2019 15:35

What Natural said. From an in-patient POV, their ward loos and bathrooms are probably some of very few that we can guarantee are still single-SEX, however patients identify.

Visitor and staff facilities, OTOH...

ChateauMyself · 22/12/2019 15:35

Has anyone contacted the local churches, synagogues, temples and mosques?

FannyCann · 22/12/2019 15:39

"There wouldn't be any male patients"

I assume they have the occasional trans man patient. But then wouldn't they want to use the male loos? So on the wards have one designated gender neutral, in outpatient areas point to the male loos albeit presumably that provision is primarily for visitors.

ItsDinah · 22/12/2019 15:44

The Royal Society for Public Health issued a report in May 2019 deploring the shortage of women's toilets. It recommends there should be two female toilets for every one male toilet. Can the hospital advise how they are fulfilling this recommendation by reducing the number of toilets available for women and doubling the number available for men? Is this the result of an error ? Did they mean to double the number for women? If they are not making additional facilities available for women, can they explain what research they have used that contradicts the RSPH and other expert advise on the matter? I would try for an FOI on that rather than the invasion of women's spaces. It's harder for them to wiggle out of .

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/12/2019 15:45

I'd say a full on campaign to turn the men's loos gender neutral too is in order. Should only take a few male visitors complaining for them to be forced to address it.

AuntSpiker · 22/12/2019 15:48

Presumably it's only a matter of time until the hospital changes its name.... I could bloody weep.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/12/2019 15:53

There wouldn't be any male patients

According to twitter the hospital provides hormone treatment to Transwomen. I have no idea if this is correct.

MoobaaMoobaa · 22/12/2019 15:53

Well they made their intentions quite clear, also claiming it was prompted because of the resisters putting stickers everywhere. So quite a clear fuck you women we'll do what we want.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/gender-neutral-toilets-could-soon-15170385

Another article I saw whilst googling seem to suggest the police head quarters was the first to change.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 22/12/2019 15:57

NaturalBornWoman
There wouldn't be any male patients
It doesn't make any sense that they have changed the ward toilets to gender neutral aswell. Why?

FannyCann · 22/12/2019 15:57

According to twitter the hospital provides hormone treatment to Transwomen. I have no idea if this is correct.

I suppose gender services are fairly niche and presumably cover both sexes. Bet some of the laydees love the validation.
But I would have thought MtF surgery would be done by a specialist urologist and also for follow up care eg anything involving a prostate so I'm not sure why it would have been done at a women's hospital.

RagingBall · 22/12/2019 15:58

This is outrageous. Women at a women's hospital are likely to be more vulnerable - pregnant/in labour/post-natal/undergoing gynaecological treatment etc etc.

Unisex facilities increase the risk of abuse/attack.
So these vulnerable women are potentially even more at risk now.

Wtf are they thinking? We need to fight this.

FannyCann · 22/12/2019 15:59

I've been scrolling through the hospital twitter and there are lots of pictures of smiling staff. Nearly all of who are (or appear to be) women. Have their toilets all gone gender neutral I wonder?

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 22/12/2019 16:11

I don't get this? Why would any transwomen even be using the patients loos in a 'women's hospital?'

FannyCann · 22/12/2019 16:13

Liverpool Women's Hospital featured in one of the episodes of the BBC Hospital series a couple of years ago. I can't find the episode on YouTube or iplayer. But from what I remember they have a serious problem recruiting senior consultants because it is a geographically isolated hospital (geographically from the other main hospital services, I don't mean that it is in the sticks). This causes problems, which can be dangerous.
Those routine laparoscopies? A well known possible complication is accidental perforation of the bowel. LSCS? Possible bladder damage. Sterilisation? Possible accidental tying off of a ureter rather than a Fallopian tube.
If any of these events happen it is a surgical emergency that requires the assistance of surgical specialists from other specialisms. Specialists who won't be present on site and have to be called in from whichever nearby hospital normally provides assistance.
Thus many excellent specialists don't want to work under these potentially hazardous conditions, hence they have a major recruitment problem.
That is my summing up from memory of some key issues discussed on the programme. (Happy to be corrected if anyone knows differently).

I only raise this because if they do MtF srs surgery I would have thought they would need to ship in specialist help that wouldn't normally be present on site and I wonder if this is the hospital best suited to provide those services.

Apart from it being a Women's Hospital obv.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 22/12/2019 16:15

What does the Women's Hospital treat? Is it exclusively female conditions such as pregnancy, birth, gynane issues, or is it any issue but just in a 'women's setting'?

I just don't understand why this would even be an issue? If its the former then even the most woke, desperate to validate transwomen setting just wouldn't be treating anyone but females anyway?

Fraggling · 22/12/2019 16:22

'What Natural said. From an in-patient POV, their ward loos and bathrooms are probably some of very few that we can guarantee are still single-SEX, however patients identify.'

Thing posted unthread from the hosp confirms toilets for patients are 'single gender'.

Newspaper piece says gender neutral toilets will be 'fitted' in public buildings, which is very much not the same as changing the sign on the door of the ladies Confused

These orgs should surely be leaving the ladies alone and making the gents gender neutral? Given difference in queues etc and women's facilities being too few all over the place, it's the only thing that makes sense.

Our tube station has done this btw. Gents is gents, women's got changed to anyone.

Pisses me off tbh.

El2El · 22/12/2019 16:26

Gave birth there last weekend. Blew my mind when I saw it. Absolutely gobsmacked that a WOMEN'S hospital would do this. This is a facility specifically focussed on the treatment of females. One would expect they'd have a very particular understanding of the issues with this.

Greenkit · 22/12/2019 16:30

@El2El

Did you say anything?

El2El · 22/12/2019 16:31

No I was giving birth 😁

EvenSupposing · 22/12/2019 16:32

It's a really good job that hospitals aren't massive magnets for seriously dodgy fucked up people otherwise this would be a massive sexual assault scandal just waiting to happen. Hmm

Justhadathought · 22/12/2019 16:32

Liverpool Women's Hospital featured in one of the episodes of the BBC Hospital series a couple of years ago

'Liverpool Women's' has featured on several series of 'One Born Every Minute' but also more recently on another discrete series which was looking at several specialist trusts within Liverpool. I think this may be the programme you are referring to?

The issue of difficulty in recruiting consultants is one which has only recently been aired; but also comes at a time when the trust wants to shut down the hospital ( just 25 years old) and re-build closer to the main teaching hospital a couple of miles away.......It is quite a contentious issue - because the hospital holds a special place in the hearts of many in the region.

FannyCann · 22/12/2019 16:35

Gave birth there last weekend. Blew my mind when I saw it.
So are the loos on the maternity ward now labelled Gender neutral @El2El ?

From the web site I can't see any obvious evidence of services that could be for men.

Liverpool Women's hospital no longer has female toilets
Liverpool Women's hospital no longer has female toilets
Liverpool Women's hospital no longer has female toilets
Justhadathought · 22/12/2019 16:35

What does the Women's Hospital treat? Is it exclusively female conditions such as pregnancy, birth, gynane issues, or is it any issue but just in a 'women's setting

Liverpool Women's NHS Foundation Trust runs Liverpool Women's Hospital, a major obstetrics, gynaecology and neonatology research hospital in Liverpool.