JK Rowling - Thread 2

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Thread 1 started by @MsMcWibble here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3772685-JK-Rowling
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twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033

Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill
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To start off thread 2 - everyone saying the time was right for this to hit the news stands right after the Election was right!

Maya Forstater's Employment Tribunal case is, by virtue of JK Rowling's support, more popular in The Spectator than Boris Johnson by Boris Johnson, The Tories and The Labour Party!

MOST POPULAR in The Spectator

1. In just a few words, JK Rowling has changed the transgender debate (James Kirkup)

1. Boris Johnson: Perhaps my campaign was ‘clunking’. But sometimes, clunking is what you need (Boris Johnson)
2. We’ve just had the best decade in human history. Seriously (Matt Ridley)
3. Keir Starmer looks and sounds middle class precisely because he’s working class (Isabel Hardman)
4. Let’s make David Lammy Labour’s next leader (Rod Liddle)
5. A new leader won’t stop the far left’s domination of Labour (Nick Cohen)

www.spectator.co.uk/

So a support wizard, then? The thing is, Rowling gave them that world, but there's no "thank you for giving me this thing that's helped me through the years", just "you have failed to support me in exactly the ways that I expected and that I demand therefore you are pure unadulterated evil". It's like watching the stages of childhood development illustrated on a global scale. Most of the upset fans seem to be stuck at about age 3 or 4 on the developmental scale, emotionally speaking, where the mother is the source that's meant to meet all their needs and if she doesn't they'll violently lash out.

Most of the upset fans seem to be stuck at about age 3 or 4 on the developmental scale, emotionally speaking, where the mother is the source that's meant to meet all their needs and if she doesn't they'll violently lash out

OMG YES! This describes the backlash perfectly. Mother didn't do what baby wanted.

and even find time to keep the street violence wing going......

Phew, nearly forgot there

Angela Rayner is calling for solidarity for poor wee Owen Jones. 🤮I loathe that woman. No such solidarity from her for Maya or J. K.

Only just managed to catch up with the threads. JK you are awesome. Thank you. The mildness and tolerance of your tweet compared with the level of hatred in the replies below is unreal. Hope you are bunkering down somewhere whilst the shitstorm ensues.

I'm not going to repeat that #OwenJonesisawankerday is even a real thing

I bet LOJ's mum has now reported me

Is #owenjonesisawankerday not every day?

Of course it's every day

Whathsherface who elected herself queen of feminism a while back but seems to have had her mouth sewn shut on this one - How to be a Feminist woman.

Caitlin Moran?

Haworthia, I laughed so much at this, I ended up in a coughing fit.

“biology has no place in society outside of classrooms, doctors’ offices and “biology labs”.”

I’m beginning to think the failure of the education system is the cause of the decline of civilisation. Either that or stupid is transmissible by tweet.

You know, even if I wasn’t firmly GC, I’d want to hang out with you lot, because you’re heaps funnier than the over-woke children of Twitter, who need a long nap and a humour resection.

Not sure whether to interpret that as "I have an imaginary friend and it's me" or "I wank a lot".

ProdugalKitten

I just saw that a "queer trans doula" and her partner are offering free babysitting on the local Facebook page. I looked at her Facebook and it's full of TRA rants including JK Rowling rants.

Who the hell would let their kids near these people? Terrifying!

Here's an extract..

Hey, cis pals; show of hands if a trans person has ever said this to you.
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I went to the doctor today and I was called in whilst Him Indoors was in the bathroom. I said to her "I'm just waiting for my partner" to which she replied "Do you need him with you?! Oops, sorry, do you need them with you?" And for a hot second, I was overjoyed until the followed up with "haha sorry, we're not 'allowed to' assume anyone's gender any more!" With a scoff. I rolled my eyes and said "I'm used to it I'm trans but people always assume I'm a woman". Then during my appointment she said "We always do a pregnancy test from a urine sample because, you know, you're a lady!"
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So close yet so far!
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#didyoujustassumemygender #gender #trans #transgender #nonbinary #nonbinarypronouns #theythem #notalady #itsnotfunny #mypronounsarevalid #mypronounsarenotyourpunchline

I've wondered for a while about paralells between some of the current ideas about identity, and how people become so immersed in fandoms. It's not just being interested in a series of books, or films, or collecting things, or even just a strong emotional attachment. People behave as if they are real, they want to make all the details of the story fi together totally coherently, they get really upset if there are changes or new introductions they don't think fit. And it's not Lord of the Rings level where there was arguably a very complex and coherent world, constructed from the ground up, for adults. It's children's stories like Harry Potter, or Star Wars, or completely commercially driven offerings like Marvel.

At some point it became kind of cool for adults to invest at that level. The post that mentioned people not making connections to adult literature seems to the point to me as well, it's not that adults can't enjoy good children's literature, but adult literature does include higher levels of complexity and moral nuance and also challenge to our thinking and feeling.

It’s getting harder to know what is satire and what is ... not.

“Prominent male transgender activists such as Charlotte Clymer have gone full hysterical. “For several years, there has been substantial concern that J.K. Rowling is transphobic,” Clymer tweeted, referring, I presume, to the time Rowling followed the women’s rights campaigner Magdalen Berns on Twitter. “I admit that I held out that one of my childhood heroes was simply being misunderstood. This morning, that was dashed when she defended a researcher who was fired for transphobic tweets.”

“As a gay man that found safety in Hogwarts throughout my childhood,” tweeted Shamir Sanni. “Knowing that Trans people wouldn’t be able to have that safety breaks my heart.”

Should civilisation last long enough, I’m sure we’ll look back on the last decade and say, “WTF were we thinking?”

From here:
www.nationalreview.com/2019/12/transgender-politics-why-j-k-rowling-took-a-stand/?fbclid=IwAR0H-0a-r5PbZ2ONkppGeB5TEw_efZG_vdm435SXRSeQPScK7DpUAx7vaiQ

Total misrepresentation of JKR in the Melbourne Age newspaper today by a journalist called Chip Le Grand.

I don’t know if it’s Australian journos in particular, or the state of the world in general, but even senior journos as as lazy as fuck.

They rely heavily on Twitter for content, (as opposed to interviewing people and doing actual investigation), and now, apparently, they can’t be arsed to even read the original Tweet and rely on some randos paraphrase.

my wokestazi friend on Facebook has posted explaining that the original tweet from JKR is transphobic because the words
'Dress however you please.'
have an implicit subtext that when a transwoman puts on a dress or a transman puts on a lumberjack shirt and a binder then that is some kind of dressing up rather than a fundamental expression of who they really are

and likewise
'Call yourself whatever you like.'
has an implicit subtext that a transperson's name is a matter of choice that should be understood in the same way as anyone non-trans choosing to change their name (eg connected with marriage or divorce) rather than the correction of an unjust misnaming at birth, all records of which should rightfully be expunged.

The Age is out of Melbourne; it's woke.

The truly stupid thing is that none of these people are one whit more unsafe than they were a few days ago.

Nothing has changed in their lives. Nothing. If they lived in a homophobic hell hole they still live there. If, like most of the sad trans teens in my city, they live in woker than woke Progressiveville, they still live there.

They could act as if nothing had changed, including their beloved Potterverse - because it is still exactly as written - if they wanted to.

It's disturbing to me the demands for political purity from authors to their 'fans' (used to be known as readers, but I snidely bet some of them have only watched the movies!) I wouldn't be reading much if the author of every book I read had to be investigated for wrongthink first.

Fuck, but I'm a cranky old lady! But c'mon...nothing happened to them! All this outrage and why ? Because a woman posted a tweet. Transperbole, I'm calling it.

But they ARE more unsafe because they can’t go to Hogwarts anymore. A few days ago they could have safely boarded the Hogwarts Express without fear of attacks. Now, who knows what sort of hexes and jinxes await them on that long journey north? Will they be slipped a potion to try and “convert” them back to cis? Will transfiguration classes with McGonagall take on a whole new sinister meaning? Is Tonks being goady when she turns her hair purple? Is the Room of Requirement going to be that safe, third space people require? We know trans wizards are killed at a much higher rate than cis wizards because it says so in the Quibbler.

Dark times ahead.

It's interesting - apropos of something I was reading a page or so back - the role that American cultural imperialism plays in this debacle.
North America has fallen.
I'm a writer and a member of the biggest and most influential writers' forum which is based in the US. (I've said this before so sorry for repeating!) I've been with them for eons but in the last couple of years hardly ever log in. They are woker than woke there, in fact it is on that forum that I first heard about trans ideology and words like cis etc. It was always an eye-rolling moment.

So just for curiosity I logged in again yesterday and indeed, found the Rowling thread and of course a pile on about how transphobic she is.

What gets me is the automatic assumption that all members, all writers, are automatically on board with the lies about her (apparently she was vile to her trans colleagues and went about spouting transphobic slurs etc), that we all agree on this.
There is absolutely no room for discussion. If I were to pop in and say a word the pitchforks would come out. I have a long-standing reputation on that forum as a "nice" person, very mild-mannered and not at all quarrelsome. If I were to say what I really think in a wink I would be demonised. The message there is that "we are all kind and inclusive on this forum" and on the right side of history. They are 100% following the agenda.

I am btw immensely proud that it is a member of my profession that has caused this amount of sunlight. I hope that one day I will have the guts and the clout to come out, as a public person, as being GC and pro-JK but sorry -- right now these nuts could ruin everything I'm trying to build up. So, public silence from me, unfortunately.
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On another topic: I am a total Twitter numpty and could do with some advice. I do have a Twitter account which I only use for book related stuff, but I follow people like Glinner and, now, JK. But I must be doing something wrong as I don't see all the vitriolic comments. What I see is her tweet, and then a couple of older, neutral tweets for her from November, then Who to Follow (Emma Watson), then retweets from JK dating back to March and earlier .
I get this page when I go to JK's page and click on Tweets and Tweets and replies. Where do I go to see the actual comment list everyone is talking about?

This is the comment in the German news magazin Der Spiegel:
www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/j-k-rowling-die-dementorin-unter-den-feministinnen-a-1302365.html

Look at the title in the link. "JK Rowling, the dementor among feminists"
The comments are over all heartening though.

Lamahaha, if you click on the small speech bubble at the bottom left of a tweet, you'll be able to see all the replies to that tweet. The number next to the speech bubble tells you how many replies there are.

That Bird-thread about why Rowling's tweet is so heinous despite it's seeming harmlessness:

Apparently it's because she's not supporting transwomen if she's merely happy to let them do their own thing.

It was an I-can't-belieeeeeve-this moment for me.

Hello? Who died and made you King? Why should I, or anybody, or JKR, support you? You're not supporting me much, y'know.

It's not about support, you entitled twit.

It's about all of us living our lives in peace. You don't get support. I don't get support. We just leave each other alone. It's called EQUAL RIGHTS.