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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Don't worry women....a transwoman's sexuality is docile, patient, hesitant & fragile

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BoxOfBabyCheeses · 17/12/2019 12:40

medium.com/@cassiebrighter/what-do-we-do-about-women-with-a-penis-70e783fb952e?

I was scrolling through the cyclepath's twitter and came across this above link. I am genuinely dumbfounded that people actually spout this rubbish. An excerpt below:

^We talked about the symbology of the penis. Jimena and I immediately agreed that penis-owners have historically hurt vagina-owners in many ways. Some of these ways have specifically included the penis as a weapon, as an instrument of harm. Some of the women in the circle could be survivors of rape or sexual assault. So it is really important to start by openly acknowledging that history, and that symbology. And by directly addressing those concerns.
The event leader can explain that, while there is an obvious similarity between a trans woman's genitals and those of a man, this person's genitals have received years of female hormones. They respond differently, they carry a different energy. While a man's penis is an object of great pride, a trans woman's member is often a source of dysphoria and shame. A man's penis swaggers and struts, conquers and acquires, penetrates. A trans gal's genitals generally carry none of this energy. Speaking in generalities, a man's sexuality is urgent and assertive, and can be invasive. A trans gal's sexuality is docile, patient, hesitant, fragile. (Note: An acquaintance asked me to emphasize I’m speaking in generalities here. You may find men who are shy, docile and/or passive with their penis. You may find trans women who are comfortable using their genitals for penetration. As with anything, YMMV — but I’m speaking from having spoken with dozens upon dozens of trans women.)^

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BoxOfBabyCheeses · 17/12/2019 12:42

Maybe this person can write a useful pamphlet for the women patients being forced to share same sexed wards with "people with penises" Hmm

It's ok Margaret, I know you don't want to share a ward with a man but this one has got a docile penis!

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stillathing · 17/12/2019 12:46

Yeah. No. This doesn't imply what they want it to imply. Fragility and shame, when exhibited by males, can be absolutely terrifying.

WrathofFaeKlop · 17/12/2019 12:47

Those people could sum it up with a simple question...

Can you get a hard on
Yes or no?
If the answer is no...
Do you want, or need to use Viagra?

nauticant · 17/12/2019 12:49

The first time this was linked to on MN a penis signal was projected into the sky which brought us a visit from the author.

BoxOfBabyCheeses · 17/12/2019 12:50

It is unbelievably offensive to women, POC, Asians, lesbians and just about everyone except for transwomen (note that they haven't mentioned transmen Hmm)

Our society has somewhat of a pecking order of privilege. When a rich, powerful man demands to be heard, we tend to take it for granted. But when a poor man speaks, we might think "impertinent." When a woman demands to be heard, we might think "bitchy." If it’s a Black woman, some would say "angry Black woman." (A few decades ago, it was "those people are getting too upitty").

I can't say I've ever heard a woman speak and think "bitchy" unless they were being insulting or maybe mistaking resting bitch face like mine Grin

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OhHolyJesus · 17/12/2019 12:59

No sure that the trans woman in the women's refuge who was taking pics naked felt docile and fragile.

What a loads of old toss.

SarahTancredi · 17/12/2019 13:02

What no mention of the more feminine smell and mouth feel 🤮

It's funny, theres something very familiar with people who talk about their dicks so much...

Michelleoftheresistance · 17/12/2019 13:07

No, the issue isn't the type of penis or how docile the penis feels, it's the fact of their being a penis at all.

Male people cannot come into female people's spaces without removing the whole benefit and purpose of their being female only spaces. That's a sad truth for some males I understand, but it's the reality.

At least acknowledgement and some empathy towards women about this, that's rare. Good step in the right direction, but you're still not listening.

Michelleoftheresistance · 17/12/2019 13:10

There not their. Sorry, not nearly enough coffee.

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 17/12/2019 13:14

Yeah. No. This doesn't imply what they want it to imply. Fragility and shame, when exhibited by males, can be absolutely terrifying

This ^

TinselAngel · 17/12/2019 13:15

1.Gaslighting

  1. AGP
MarianaMoatedGrange · 17/12/2019 13:18

Let us all acknowledge and praise the fragile dick - especially when it's in our spaces.

eurochick · 17/12/2019 13:20

When I read this stuff that Catherine Tate nana character always pops into my head for some reason. What was her tag line again? Oh yes. "What a load of old shit"

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 17/12/2019 13:20

This man who has invaded your space has a different energy from other men who aren't here. Yep. That's true.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 17/12/2019 13:22

Right. So if we can't presume a penis is urgent and assertive, how do we work out which penises are the hesitant and fragile ones? Guessing the docile penises don't rape, is that right?

SarahTancredi · 17/12/2019 13:25

Right. So if we can't presume a penis is urgent and assertive, how do we work out which penises are the hesitant and fragile ones? Guessing the docile penises don't rape, is that right?

Well I guess this is another way, alongside constantly talking about, references to , clothing that "frames" , public adjusting, manspreading to ensure we know all about it, that they ensure we have to look at and acknowledge their dicks...

FGSJoanWhatsWrongWithYou · 17/12/2019 13:26

What about the superior height, upper body strength and fist size? Is that more fragile and docile too?

TheShoesa · 17/12/2019 13:29

Careful Joan, you're veering off the 'most vulnerable and oppressed' script pointing out things like that

ItsNearlyMorning · 17/12/2019 13:30

Penis owners ?
Vagina owners ?
Pass the poor trans women the smelling salts.
Must be tough being such a feminine , delicate woman 🤦‍♀️
Honestly you couldn't make this shit up

NeurotrashWarrior · 17/12/2019 13:31

Clearly Karen White et al didn't get this message.

BoxOfBabyCheeses · 17/12/2019 13:33

I think the most offensive thing about the trans movement is when they compare themselves to black women not being allowed to share bathrooms with white women before the civil rights movement.

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!

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YouJustDoYou · 17/12/2019 13:41

"They (penis) carry a different energy".... my face is kind of like this >>🤨😑😒. They believe that after taking hormones, the penis is no longer a penis? That it has a "different energy?". What also made me fucking angry was the "spinach in your teeth" analogy the author uses. "If I point out you have spinach in your teeth, don't get angry and defensive- say thank you and go look in a mirror". I....I literally have no words.

Actually I do, but...Not accepted by them so I'm not allowed to say them.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 17/12/2019 13:47

Depressingly OP, virtually any MN thread where we discuss why biological males aren't the same as us biological women and shouldn't be in ours spaces (I know, I know, I'm treading carefully with what I say as I'm not sure what gets a bollocking these days Confused), you can guarantee a poster will pop along and compare the "struggle of the trans person" to the civil rights movement and how we should all be ashamed of ourselves. Every. Time.

Most of these posters are oddly scarce on threads such as these where the evidence is clear to see. Funny that.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 17/12/2019 13:48

That's NO from me.

A penis owner talking about how special / different / beautiful their cock is compared to others is not a new take, frankly.

BrainFart · 17/12/2019 14:02

Symbology

Symbolism. The word you are looking for is symbolism.

(With apologies to Willem Dafoe in The Boondock Saints)

Also, I don't own a penis, I have one. I did not buy it at a shop. Ditto women re: vaginas. So, in summary, not just crazy, but poorly-written crazy.