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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Don't worry women....a transwoman's sexuality is docile, patient, hesitant & fragile

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BoxOfBabyCheeses · 17/12/2019 12:40

medium.com/@cassiebrighter/what-do-we-do-about-women-with-a-penis-70e783fb952e?

I was scrolling through the cyclepath's twitter and came across this above link. I am genuinely dumbfounded that people actually spout this rubbish. An excerpt below:

^We talked about the symbology of the penis. Jimena and I immediately agreed that penis-owners have historically hurt vagina-owners in many ways. Some of these ways have specifically included the penis as a weapon, as an instrument of harm. Some of the women in the circle could be survivors of rape or sexual assault. So it is really important to start by openly acknowledging that history, and that symbology. And by directly addressing those concerns.
The event leader can explain that, while there is an obvious similarity between a trans woman's genitals and those of a man, this person's genitals have received years of female hormones. They respond differently, they carry a different energy. While a man's penis is an object of great pride, a trans woman's member is often a source of dysphoria and shame. A man's penis swaggers and struts, conquers and acquires, penetrates. A trans gal's genitals generally carry none of this energy. Speaking in generalities, a man's sexuality is urgent and assertive, and can be invasive. A trans gal's sexuality is docile, patient, hesitant, fragile. (Note: An acquaintance asked me to emphasize I’m speaking in generalities here. You may find men who are shy, docile and/or passive with their penis. You may find trans women who are comfortable using their genitals for penetration. As with anything, YMMV — but I’m speaking from having spoken with dozens upon dozens of trans women.)^

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RuffleCrow · 17/12/2019 20:05

These articles are panic attack inducing. I think they're supposed to be.

Deckthehallswithlotsofcake · 17/12/2019 20:05

Why do trans women love to compare themselves with black women as if black women are not really women? How can they not see that it is an offensive thing to say/write? Do the idiots really think that white women agree with them? How stupid can they be? So many trans women are so bloody misogynistic and racist it makes my blood boil.

SunsetBeetch · 17/12/2019 20:20

It reminds me of this classic : What is girldick?

"But here’s where things get messy. Some trans women are definitely trans women but, through happenstance, have not started HRT. Thus, on a molecular level, their penises are similar to the penises of your average man. So are their penises also “girldicks”?
It looks then that the term “girldick” is ambiguous between two different concepts. On the one hand it refers to the “feminine penis”. Such a penis can be different from the “masculine penis” in the following ways:
Smells better (less musky)
Smaller (it often atrophies)
Change in coloration
Softer in texture (different mouthfeel)
Often doesn’t ejaculate, or, if it does, the ejaculate is clear
More difficult to achieve an erection (which can actually be painful)
Little to no spontaneous erections
Less aroused by visual stimuli
And thus, the feminine penis post-HRT is truly a girldick."

medium.com/@transphilosophr/what-is-girldick-9363515e0bfd

JanesKettle · 17/12/2019 20:22

A penis is a penis is a penis.

And signifies maleness.

Woman is not 'man with a limp dick'.

Only a man would spend so much time thinking about, and writing about his dick.

The narcissism...

HermioneWeasley · 17/12/2019 20:25

Keep your fragile, shy dicks out of women’s spaces

RuffleCrow · 17/12/2019 20:39

Q.What is a girldick?!

A. Any woman stupid enough to want to give up female spaces to erm... male people Grin

ScrimshawTheSecond · 17/12/2019 20:49

’Tis but thy name that is my enemy:
Thou art thyself, though not a woman,
What’s woman? It is not hand nor foot,
Nor arm nor face. O be some other name,
belonging to a man!
What’s in a name? That which we call a rose,
By any other word would smell as sweet.'

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/12/2019 21:33

I wonder if the author will turn up again. If so - look, mate, we still don't care how shy, fragile, or hesitant your penis is. Still don't want it in spaces where we're going to get undressed.

Also, is there anything more male than assigning an entire personality complete with emotions and independent behavior to your penis?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/12/2019 21:42

Actually it's not just penises, somehow transwomen writing about sex manage to make every single thing to do with sex sound terrible. I have to stop reading and reach for my own memories in order to recollect that sex is good actually. There's something about the mindset that's a massive turn-off.

Watching/listening to people talk in graphic detail about fetishes you don't share is always more awkward than arousing. Note that "awkward" is my being very, very nice and rule compliant.

ThePurported · 17/12/2019 21:43

The first time this was linked to on MN a penis signal was projected into the sky which brought us a visit from the author.

I think the Peenmobile just pulled up round the corner.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/12/2019 21:48

If it's a girldick symbol does it have a pink bow tied around it?

bd67th · 17/12/2019 21:54

The Jim Crow comparison is bullshit. Melanin does not confer the ability to rape, black women are women because they were born with vulvas.

A penis confers the ability to rape. Having a penis makes you a rape risk, by definition. We segregate spaces by genitals for women's safety from rape.

CatalogueUniverse · 17/12/2019 22:23

Also, is there anything more male than assigning an entire personality complete with emotions and independent behavior to your penis?*

That is a very good point. I’m trying to think of women attributing independent behaviour to their vulvas. I can think of complaints about unexpected period arrival. Discussion of what is normal physical appearance/behaviour. Discussion of healing post birth.

It is patriarchal thinking in action to view female sexuality/genitals as being docile/passive/patient/fragile. Vulvas are incredible, self cleaning, self lubricating to prevent damage. Expands and has the muscle capacity to push out a baby. Men are the ones who push shame on women for natural lubrication, periods, physical appearance of genitals. Women’s bodies are capable of multiple orgasms. The fear of women’s voracious sexuality was utilised in witch hunts.

PASSIVE?! The only people who think of women’s genitals are passive are people who only think of a vulva as a sheath for a penis.

Sheeshelection · 17/12/2019 23:27

This has reminded me (unfortunately) of this gem of a poetic performance from J*s Brdy (they of the getting their dick out at their NUS office. taking photos and masturbating over images of school boys allegedly - any news on the NUS investigation by the way???) They talk about what their vagina would say if it could talk and manage to win themselves a spot on a stage at Manchester University where women are doing a vagina monologue type of thing. Obviously put out that the vagina monologues did not include their penis, J*s wrote their own ode to their feminine genitalia. Some great contributions in the comments section. I imagine they would describe their penis as docile as they talk about their vagina as wearing a dress and gritting its teeth at certain points.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 17/12/2019 23:39

The only people who think of women’s genitals are passive are people who only think of a vulva as a sheath for a penis.

Urgh this has reminded me of Prince Andrew and his “sex is a positive action for a man”.

WomanBornNotWorn · 17/12/2019 23:43

Symbollocks more like

anxioussue · 18/12/2019 00:05

What a load of bollocks

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/12/2019 00:10

Nope, sorry, I'm going to continue identifying as a person who's never heard Jess talking about Jess's special outie "vagina".

MyMajesty · 18/12/2019 00:15

Good step in the right direction,

It isn't.
It's them taking a different approach to try to get exactly the same things they've wanted all along.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 18/12/2019 00:21

trans gal
always girls huh that’s not creepy at all Hmm

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 18/12/2019 00:32

I'M SO OVER THIS SHITE!

Sex is immutable.

I understand that is very challenging for people with a gender dysphoria, but it's all sorts of titillation for the rest of the feckers pushing their way under the trans umbrella.

InionEile · 18/12/2019 01:03

‘Trans gals’ - tee hee hee!! Giggle! Such simpering dainty gals with their ‘docile’ genitals. Hmm

And yy to AnyOldPrion: comparing sex-segregated spaces to Jim Crow laws is just beyond offensive. Black people and white people were segregated because of hateful and erroneous ideas about skin color. Women were / are segregated from men due to incontrovertible evidence that, when given a chance, some men choose to harm women. ‘Not all men’ but enough where women rightfully feel safer in their own space. Men are the oppressors in this scenario, based on real, verifiable data on crime not some fervid imaginings of mean women who won’t let men into their spaces because they want to keep men down. So ridiculous.

And again it’s all about ‘trans gals’ accessing female spaces. These people never ever write about how trans men aren’t accepted as peers or Catholic priests. It’s always about male-bodied people accessing women’s bathrooms and changing rooms like they’re fighting the good fight, heroes on a par with Martin Luther King. It’s so bloody ridiculous and they can’t even see how ridiculous they are.

DonutMan · 18/12/2019 01:57

Sounds a bit Hmm to me, but it's highly likely that greatly reducing one's testosterone is very similar to getting a dog neutered and thus increases docility.

DuMondeB · 18/12/2019 02:08

Please, Please, could someone please change their Mumsnet username to ‘DocilePenis’?

DonutMan · 18/12/2019 02:27

I'd rather see 'AngryVagina'. 😆