Why Hannah Mouncey wasn't picked for the world championships

[Clymene]

Mouncey says: "I can confirm that yes, I was left out of the team for the World Championships because there was a group of players within the team, supported by the team manager, who did not want me showering or using the change rooms before or after the game."

Good on those women who stood up against being forced to share showers and changing rooms with a male bodied person.

Obviously Hannah is feeling a bit aggrieved but is putting on a brave face: www.starobserver.com.au/opinion/people-will-do-whats-easy-over-whats-right-hannah-mouncey-speaks-out/190555

It's extraordinary really how Mouncey extols becoming comfortable with saying "No" whilst not recognising that actually it was the women who said "No" and that is why Mouncey is cross.

@DancelikeEmmaGoldman
Thank you for the excellent post and statistics.

It's because you are a bloke, mate

So Hannah would have been allowed to play if they’d agreed not to shower/change with women? But Hannah refused to accept being told that Hannah couldn’t strip off naked infront of naked women who didn’t want Hannah there?

Hannah felt Hannah’s wish to be naked and see naked women against their wishes was more important?

What a lovely person.

Can I also add that Hannah's team mates have done what's right over what's easy, in sporting terms? It would have been so easy for them to have done what Kent women's cricket or Porth Ladies' Rugby have done, namely traded short term advantage in the league (or in this case, world championships) against long term damage to women's sport, but in this instance they've done the right thing. Hats off to them.

It's because you are a [male person], mate

Is it only that though? Mouncey says Mounceself that it's coming from women who were sufficiently brainwashed that they thought it reasonable for Mouncey to play women's sports. That is megazombie levels of woke. Would women like that really object a priori to showering with a male person?

And there's the timeline... it's taken a while for this objection to surface and it seems like Mouncey has been using women's changing rooms during this time. There's whatever "not liked" is covering up. And there's the coach's offer to concoct a cover story to spare Mouncey embarrassment.

I would bet good money that the women raising objections have already experienced showering with Hannah Mouncey and are objecting based on their experiences. I would very much like to hear the other side of this story.

Good for them. I'm delighted.

Looks like the Aussies played Hannah a blinder. Rather than face up to a confrontation about trans women in women's sport they made it about the showers guessing, correctly, that Hannah would do a flounce and sparing them the fall out. A neat finesse leaving the real battle for another team another day.

Well done to Mouncey’s team mates for taking a stand here.

I would rather that they’d gone the whole hog and asserted that, as a natal male who enjoys the enormous physical advantages conferred by the testosterone surge of a male puberty, they had been able to set the boundary that Mouncey does not belong on the team at all, but...baby steps.

One can only imagine what has happened in those changing rooms to bring this to a head. I wonder how many women have quietly exited the team rather than confront this head on? Those women are where my sympathies lie, and they’re not getting sycophantic interview in newspapers.

I'm another one wondering precisely what Hannah did in the changing rooms to turn a virtuous bunch of woke young things crooning "the AFL were so mean not to let you play" into a t**fy coven of witches screaming "get your peen out of our showers."

Whatever it was, Mouncey seems to be quite the Sherpa.

I’m sure there’s more to it than showering...

Well done handball Australia. Gotta nip this narcissitic misogyny in the bud.

There is no reason to think anything “happened in the change rooms,”
seems like unfair and unhelpful speculation. Besides, female spaces are needed even if others behave blamelessly.

Women should have access to female only change rooms regardless.

That said, this was a good outcome - good to see the manager support the players.

the drawback with making it about showers is that it can then lead to debates over an individuals genital configuration, when in fact the issue is that it’s the whole body that doesn’t belong in women’s sports, not just the penis in the showers.

Yes.

The “not liked” could be due to HM acting foremost as an individual, rather than as a team player. The refusal to compromise on showering + the timing of this disclosure + criticising your teammates on Twitter (!!) are all indicative of that mindset.

Yes Soph I agree.

Also, how can girls (in this climate) speak up for female change rooms if the perception is: “you’re saying your trans teammate harassed you!?”

NO, not at all - we just want and need a female space, nothing personal about it.

Male entitlement.

And thanks for posting the stats about women/murders. Next time the incorrect trans stats are trotted out, I'm going to innocently ask what the stats for women are. If they don't know, then it shows they don't give a shit (which we already knew...).

Yes thanks Dance for those stats, I've seen the 331 being used per country - so a global statistic is being misused again to say its 331 in the UK, it deliberately misinforms.

Where there is a stat for a trans person killed we should have the same next to it for women and men. I really hate how this is twisted.

As for HM, why didn't HM just shower somewhere else? I agree that there must be more to it than that...

Someone needs to tell Mouncey that saying they are prepared to throw their position on the team because they can't get naked with the women, isn't an argument in their favour.

Are the manager and female players going to be given an article like this, to share their views? Why wasn't it fact-checked re: the (irrelevant to sport anyway) murder stats?

I notice the picture of Mouncy competing doesn't show their true size and height. Carefully chosen?

Agreed Datun. I can only think Mouncey really doesn't realise how that comes across.

I refuse to call a man good or well behaved for not perving on or not attacking women in a team shower situation, but however a hypothetical man behaves in there, whatever he is thinking or not thinking, it’s beside the point. male people shouldn’t be in women’s showers in the first place. It shouldn’t be up to women to have to protest. Management should right away be saying, nice try but we’re not stupid.

I agree chatty, it’s not related to behaviour
and any suggestion it does just muddies the water and opens the door to “But I’m one of the nice, safe ones!”