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Pro Remain GC feminists - who are you voting for?

273 replies

Fantasisa · 07/12/2019 20:00

Just that. I feel like the only option available to me is spoiling my ballot which is clearly a terrible waste.

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koshkat · 08/12/2019 12:16

I suppose there are good Labour MPs out there but I have yet to see them stand up for us. Jess Phillips is a prime example of a woman who should be all over this but is a coward and a disappointment.

My own Labour candidate told me that basically it is cruel to make men in dresses share a loo with men in trousers and did not understand that sex is about chromosomes.

ThreeLittleDuckies · 08/12/2019 12:21

@koshkat at least you got a reply from yours. Mine just ignored me.

EvaHarknessRose · 08/12/2019 12:23

I want to spoil my ballot but I can't not vote against Jacob Rees Mogg.

koshkat · 08/12/2019 12:25

I got replies from Labour - laughable - and the sitting Tory MP - very positive. I was, and continue to be, ignored by the Greens and the Lib Dems.

TheBullshitGoesOn · 08/12/2019 12:29

Safe Labour seat so spoiling my ballot.

I cannot in good faith endorse any of them. I would normally go for LibDem but a) their policies are a danger to women and children, and b) their capture, refusal to discuss and lack of critical thought in this area makes me question their competence generally.

ItsChristmaaaaaaaaas · 08/12/2019 12:30

DH wouldn’t let me engage with the campaigners out today at the Sunday market. And one was walking towards us (couldn’t see his badge) as I was sating ‘is there a LibDem ? I have some questions...’ and smartly turned and walked the other way. Humph.

koshkat · 08/12/2019 12:37

Why is your husband stopping you speaking to campaigners about this?

VMisaMarshmallow · 08/12/2019 12:40

Spoiling my ballot. It’s at least an honest choice and a way of speaking up.

SummerPavillion · 08/12/2019 12:40

My local MP is a Labour woman who is secretly GC but knows she'd be booted out in a second if she spoke up. I get her position and am voting for her.

dayoftheclownfish · 08/12/2019 12:46

What gets me about this thread is the number of women holding their noses and voting LD, Lab, SNP despite being GC - no wonder so-called progressive parties are taking women for granted!

dayoftheclownfish · 08/12/2019 12:48

Summer - do you think your Labour MP will ever break her silence, though? What good is it if she has those nice convictions but does not make them count?

Many MPs have left politics over Brexit, because of their conscience. Funny that their conscience is a lot more flexible when it comes to this ...

ApplejackCriesOnTheInside · 08/12/2019 12:58

I'm in a Remain-y seat but the anti-Brexit vote is so split our Tory MP is likely to be re-elected and I will probably spoil my ballot. Been offered the opportunity to meet our Lib Dem candidate this week, tempted to go Angry

NotAtMyAge · 08/12/2019 13:00

I've held my nose and voted LD by post. A historically LD rural seat until 2010, but increasingly becoming a Tory safe seat. LDs are the only viable contenders and I really, really don't like the look of the new Tory candidate. I'm one of those who cannot contemplate not voting or spoiling my ballot.

StandUpStraight · 08/12/2019 13:03

Tory. Because I think the country already had a say on Brexit even if it didn’t go my way, and also because I think the chances of making Brexit go away are in reality non-existent. But mostly because self ID will be impossible to reverse once it becomes law and the consequences for my daughters will be huge. My Tory MP gets it and we’ve exchanged emails on the topic. I genuinely don’t understand why women who are so upset about this issue will still vote Lib Dem.

SummerPavillion · 08/12/2019 13:05

dayoftheclownfish I think she's as frustrated as any of us! But she honestly wouldn't survive in the current climate if she came out. I know what the local party's like Sad

She does many other amazing things as an MP, so it would be a loss to see her go.

Awning10 · 08/12/2019 13:09

I'm voting Labour in a safe Tory seat.

SirVixofVixHall · 08/12/2019 13:21

My female Labour candidate is very TWAW, and not very intelligent.
I do agree re climate, I am naturally a green voter, but is the dilemma that the Greens are a disaster.
I feel incredibly stressed about the whole political situation in a way I never have been before. We have climate as the top issue, as without a viable solution we are all doomed. Then for women there is self id. There are also the issues of health and education, the two things that have a huge impact on all our lives long term.
I am floundering about worrying about my vote. Most people ime are roughly centrist, they care about health, they are pro gay rights but not behind self id or the transing of children, they care about the environment and education. They don’t want extreme lefties, or rabid right wingers.
I have never been so stuck before. 😕☹️

CountFosco · 08/12/2019 13:22

We're a Labour seat with a small majority (but good local MP), we're on the list of Tory target seats. At the moment remain is more important to me than self ID, Brexit will destroy the local economy. I'm holding my nose and voting Labour hoping for a hung parliament. If Brexit wasn't an issue I'm not sure who I'd vote for anymore, I always voted LD but can't vote for a party who explicitly said they don't want me.

HarrietTheFly · 08/12/2019 13:29

I don't know who to vote for. I've never been so lost on this. There is absolutely no way I'd vote for the lib Dems

dayoftheclownfish · 08/12/2019 13:31

Summer, thanks for sharing this. My impression is that my MP feels similarly about this issue (maybe we even share the same MP?) but I'm just too fed up.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 08/12/2019 13:37

I'm voting Labour with a heavy heart.

Live is a pretty safe Tory seat but Labour is the only chance of unseating the current Tory MP. Looking at the Labour candidates Twitter, there is no mention at all of trans issues so I know she isn't a #nodebate er and she seems pretty good.

Wouldn't vote Lib Dem now anyway I don't think. Awful.

I can't stand Corbyn and Momentum and tbh I don't want to encourage their shit, but there isn't really any other choice apart from spoiling my ballot which just seems pointless and bit childish to me.

Justhadathought · 08/12/2019 13:53

Just seems pointless and bit childish to me

Then you misunderstand the strength of feeling that would lead people not to be able to vote, positively, for any party. Spoiling the ballot is an act of integrity for people who feel the vote actually matters.

Voting is not a tick box exercise. It has to mean something. If you have fundamantal disagreements with parties or candidates then you cannot in good conscience vote for them. Nothing to do with being "childish".

Justhadathought · 08/12/2019 13:53

fundamental

Justhadathought · 08/12/2019 13:54

I can't stand Corbyn and Momentum and I don't want to encourage their shit

So why vote for it then? Illogical.

FlyingOink · 08/12/2019 13:58

What gets me about this thread is the number of women holding their noses and voting LD, Lab, SNP despite being GC - no wonder so-called progressive parties are taking women for granted!

I think it depends on whether they see Brexit as a bigger threat (and whether they think it is stoppable).
I don't think it is stoppable, and I don't think self-id is easily reversible.
For those who think public opinion will stop the men's sexual rights juggernaut - what do you think of the Denton's leak and the fact self-id was packaged in with same-sex marriage in Ireland, for example?