Woman's Hour Jo Swinson Now - 6th Dec

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Andrea Catherwood (?) interviewing and being quite tigerish. Seems to be in a mood to take no shit.

Just listened to it Jo Swinson was a disaster on every question but particularly on the reform of the GRA. Who could vote for them?

Alot of people calling emma rude Saying she gave a tough interrogation

Rude?

She did an excellent job. She was calm but persistent in having her questions answered. Jo Swinson could not answer her questions, though.

I’m not going to vote for her, but at least she has the tits to be interviewed. Boris doesn’t even turn up, so we can’t say how shit he was.

I feel the same Just

Is someone supposed accept being ignored/have their very simple question dodged repeatedly and emotionally black mailed every five seconds just to be polite? Seriously?

Can't help wondering whether some of those people calling the interviewer "rude" and "aggressive" would say the same if it had been a man, and how much the "be nice women!" stereotypes are at play there! (I've not had a chance to listen yet but will be sure to catch up later!).

Thanks Sawing

Glad to have evidence of bbc manipulating truths, inserting bias, and shutting down freedom of speech.

What a lot of bluster and nonsense the faux, shes so aggressive.

Those comments are well balanced blasted out the water with the eloquent and powerful supporters of getting at the truth and challenging the non-answers, showing that is doesn't have anything more than second hand belief. She doesn't have the grounding on it, just toeing the political deviants (I am talking about conflicts of interest here MN!! The fact that money appears to be deviating the course of democracy and its effects on women's rights) following the money.

I've noticed that some people really don't like the more aggressive style of interview, maybe it's more a matter of personal preference than anything. It's an approach that sometimes works well but sometimes it can seem like you are just getting the political view of the interviewer. I think that's a difficult line for any interviewer to negotiate and the way the listener perceives it will depend on how confrontational they are themselves and their view of the issue being discussed.

she's swallowed every dogy cliche unquestiongly - no critical thought whatsoever

I've noticed this more and more with many people I know who support woke causes, and its the gender debate that's really made me see it - so many simply accept reports and numbers and advice if t comes from the right sources. They think picking the right sources, experts, means they are thinking critically. Some of them are huge proponents of what they call critical thinking, but they wouldn't know it if they fell over it.

I feel like a dope about it but I am starting to wonder if humanity is really up for self-determination.

I feel bad knocking another woman

Don't. She cares nothing for you or any other woman. She is all about the men.

Can't help wondering whether some of those people calling the interviewer "rude" and "aggressive" would say the same if it had been a man, and how much the "be nice women!" stereotypes are at play there! (I've not had a chance to listen yet but will be sure to catch up later!)

Yes I wondered the same.

I am so flipping thankful that the women at the BBC (Maitlis, Garvey, Barnett in the last few days alone) are FINALLY saying "enough of this shit, we are going to talk about this" and getting this policy the sunlight it needs.

THANK YOU! To all the women, the normal everyday women, who have just kept on talking, despite the threats of violence, job loss, police action, etc who have kept pushing this when at times it felt like all hope was lost.

^Seconded.

Interesting language in one of the posts that draws attention to the 'women' not doing themselves any favours.

I wonder whether if it had been two men, it would have been mentioned that neither 'man' did themselves any favours.

So I can't take any notice of biased comments that come from such a biased start point.

I’ve just listened. I had been planning on holding my nose and voting for them. I can’t. I just can’t.

I campaigned for them in 2015 FFS.

Will be spoiling my ballot. (There are only 3 parties on the ticket here.)

I would love to see Eddie Mair interview Swinson or indeed any of the other TRAs on this question. He isn't aggressive or hostile, but manages to skewer politicians while being calmly polite (see his famous interview with Boris Johnson as an example, or the time he asked Francis Maude what volunteering he did). Kind of disappointed that he apparently hasn't chosen to engage with this issue yet.

I wonder how many Woman's Hour listeners knew what "cis" meant when Swinson kept using it?

Anyone else having problems listening to the women's hour bit?

I did, then went to FPFW twitter page. Got a 'something went wrong'.

Maybe the Women's hour page is just being bombarded, not sure.

The little bit I did hear (up to 16 mins), she was so spluttery and unconvincing, I'm half wondering whether Swinson decided to make the ultimate sacrifice by allowing this to be in her manifesto and finally exposing the nonsense to a wider group of people.

She’s even thick as mince or genuinely hates women.

It always makes me laugh when I see the odd twitter user calling EB and EM 'rude' for asking very real questions that women are concerned about. Jeremy Paxman was 10x more aggressive with his guests on his show to the point that he basically had them by the throat, metaphorically speaking, and that's one of the reasons his interview style was so popular with the public.

Of course he's a bloke, so...

Jane Garvey, unfortunately, continues to be something of a let-down. She's asked a few questions but she hasn't followed through in the way that Barnett did just now and she's left me wondering a few times whether she really gets it.

I think that is deeply unfair to Jane Garvey - who single-handedly hosted the in-depth series WH did on GRA/TW issues a while ago, a series of I think six? programmes across two weeks and who did a really excellent job.

If WH chose to save up the really searing look at the folly that is GRA reform for Swinson rather than going for every party at the same level, that is I would think because the LDs are demonstrably most batshit on the issue. Not because Jane Garvey doesn't "get it".

She’s even thick as mince or genuinely hates women

No she probably just thinks that if shes helpful enough to the men they wont screw her over like all the other women. Except now she has been too much of the public idiot so they wont want anything to do with her now either.

Just listened. Her voice was shaking throughout. Agree with previous poster that even a year ago this kind of direct questioning would have been unheard of. It's turning, it is. Just got to keep going.

Anyone else having problems listening to the women's hour bit?

Yes it took me a while to be able to start it.

Jo Swinson calls herself an enthusiastic feminist
truly this is a new category

twitter.com/Emmabarnett/status/1202915376541110275

Okay I haven't heard the interview and am glad that the BBC is allowing interviewers to question the TWAW narrative.

But quite honestly if they dont also interview someone from Labour (who after all want to make misgendering a hate crime) and the Tories about fudging what they started, this isn't about support women's rights, this is about the BBC deciding lets give the Lib Dems a good kicking.

There people in the media who seem to think they can decide who can have a voice and who cant are as much part of the poison as politicians themselves.

Every day it is obvious that the BBC new department has decided why issue or gotcha moment they are going after.

If they dont interview any of the other parties about this then all these interviewers, however much they think they are bigging up their CV, are hypercrites.

The issue is women's rights. The Lib Dems will not be forming the next government.

Even if there is a coalition of some sort it will be a tory or labour led government.

So I am really hoping that my cynicism will be proved wrong.

But if there are no equivilent interviews of say Dawn Butler then this is just the BBC exploiting an issue to create a political narrative they have decided on.

Okay Emily, Emma, and who ever. Lets see if you really are professional journalists or just handmaidens to the BBC hierarchy.

I think that is deeply unfair to Jane Garvey - who single-handedly hosted the in-depth series WH did on GRA/TW issues a while ago, a series of I think six? programmes across two weeks and who did a really excellent job.

Yes I agree, JG did a sterling job with these. Including an interview with a trans widow.

That's a good point stumble and actually one that Swinson made for different reasons re JC coming on WH.

I would be interested to hear him getting the same qs .