Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

I'm sure "don't bear people, it's uncivil and implies something evil about their gender" will be added to the special rules shortly.

I can talk about the far right nature of women's rights if you like?

Are pombears far right?

I'm pretty sure they are. I found that out years ago at radfem uni.

Definitely far right to ask an electoral candidate what they will do to protect women's sports, women's spaces, women in prison, vulnerable women in refuges and children.

Those far right dudes never stop banging on about vulnerable women, do they?

why isn't there a Christmas bear?

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Cause the Christmas bear wouldn't fit down the chimney?

Great thread - it should be bookmarked/preserved as a great example of feminisms biggest weaknesses.

All the fecking bickering and demands of perfection. All the impossibly high standards some think women must attain before expressing themselves, before uttering an opinion or before that viewpoint is taken seriously

Posie Parker is brilliant. I don't agree with her all the time and some of her tactics have made me cringe a bit, but she is bold, clever, articulate & brave.

Giving no fucks is a huge asset. I wish I was more like that. Every movement needs the bold & the brave.

I'm very pleased the GC movement has Posie Parker.

Nobody is criticising the SAH mothers themselves, it is the patriarchy at work. Society is set up so women are expected to take on and embrace the role of SAHM and men are not. Socialisation is such that women do not even question it. It is set up by men to benefit men.

Hmm. I thought the reason I wanted to not work outside the home is because I believed I was the best person to nurture and care for my babies, that it was the best and most important job for me in that phase of my life, and because I didn't want to miss a moment of their babyhood??? Oh dear. Seems I was guilty of wrong-think. I should have been raging against the patriarchy instead,

Seriously though: Posie has always said that the REASON she can be so outspoken and not give a ff is BECAUSE she is a SAHM and does not have to worry about getting the sack, as so many working women do.

Also: I though that the defining quality of 50's housewives is that they are submissive little doormats who can't say a peep? Doesn't sound a bit like PP...

I've got a The Handmaid's Tale poster on my classroom wall that says 'We Will No More'.

I bet that's not allowed either .

A threat?! As much as I dislike PP I wouldn't want to see any woman fucked over because she was too reliant on a man.

I hope that's true. It's certainly not the impression this thread has given so far.

Great thread - it should be bookmarked/preserved as a great example of feminisms biggest weaknesses.

This is a good thing?

And if her husband loses his job she's fucked. From a feminist POV it's a shame she's in such a vulnerable position and so reliant on a man.

No she's not. Hard times can fall on any family at any time, in many different ways. Nobody is immune, feminist or not. When hard times fall we readjust, deal with them as best we can. It's life. I'm pretty sure they'd/she'd know how to cope.

A decision to stay home to raise children should never be built on the fear and premise that someone could lose a job, or the fear of dependence on another. The person who goes to work does it for the good of the family, for the well-being of all.

So you would rather she go out to work, (because feminism), and then be too exhausted, and her free time too compromised to be a GC activist; and so in fear of being silenced at work, that she keeps her mouth shut and never speak out.

OK. Did you hear that, Posie? Go to work and shut up and be a good feminist.

Meh. If dh loses his job tomorrow I'll just go and get one. I have a great CV, my profession is crying out for good people and always will be and I could easily cover our bills. I'm not reliant. I just don't buy your - incredibly narrow - idea of what a successful life looks like.

it's a shame she's in such a vulnerable position and so reliant on a man

Hmm. Sapphos, I wonder why your purported concern for Polly sounds almost sinister? As for people losing their job? Maya Forstater lost hers and both her case and Harry’s case have amplified the existential threat to freedom of speech way beyond ‘radical feminists’ Lots of people are watching now.

These days, the sahm thing is, rather than the default because you're a woman, it is a decision made between the two parents about what's best for the family. It was in my case anyway. I wanted to stay home wit my children.

Equally, I would never tell a woman she should stay home with them - I'm fully supportive of the rights women have to return to work after maternity leave, and women's equal rights in the workplace. These days, more attention should be given to the women who work FT and yet still seem to pick up all the "wifework" tasks too - there's a lot of them about according to MN threads - rather than berating women who want to stay home.

That "ooh what if mr posie loses his job, that would be a shame" implication in your post, sapphos, was really unpleasant. Anyone losing their job is awful - if both parents work, and their lifestyle is dependant on both salaries, then either parent losing their job is going to be a problem.

Oh and we're back to the neo-nazi stuff

posie is not a neo-nazi - she doesn't align with him, for 65th time. It's all getting a bit Godwin now.

Lolz. Sorry to disappoint Sapphos but they would be okay, even in that event. Next.