There seems to be something very wrong in canada

[QuentinWinters]

Very pro the "woke" agenda and trans womens rights, whilst coercing indigenous females into having sterilisation
www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/indigenous-women-kept-from-seeing-their-newborn-babies-until-agreeing-to-sterilization-says-lawyer-1.4902693

I'm properly shocked by this article. How can a civilised country even countenance this?

The country didn't countenance this, and it's set up a Truth and Reconciliation committee. What this has to do with trans rights I have no idea, but of course everything on the feminist board has to be trans bashing right?

Good question. Is it only them or was it any woman and a lawyer is only taking up the indigenous women's cases because it's easier to win a case of anti-racism than hate crimes against women? (like the immigrants Yaniv targeted winning on a religious basis, not as women) Tubes tied or sterilization? I'm confused by the terminology--it says they were misled it was reversible, which a tubal ligation is?

That is properly horrifying, so recent as well.

Forgive my ignorance but is it out and out racism which is behind the push to sterilise these women?

I think forcing women into sterilisation is a women's rights issue. This appears also to be a racist issue.

Therefore this is a crossintersectional feminist post of type that is said not to exist on FWR

OP was adding further useful context , that Canadian society hasn't got a great record on women's right, that might not be totally helpful given the way people leap onto anything trans related , but please focus on the problem not the background unless it helps provide a relevent point.

My point by saying about trans issues was that Canada gives the impression of being very into intersectional feminism, while at the same time treating women of colour extremely badly, which is the opposite of intersectional feminism.

Sterilising "undesirable" classes has a horrifying history and is linked to eugenics. It shouldn't be happening in this day and age. Setting up a truth and reconciliation committee is too little too late.
There are reliable, long acting but reversible contraceptives these women could have been offered instead.

The article doesn't give much background, but these women were probably involved with Child and Welfare services and had most likely had multiple children taken away and put into care. In cases like that, it's not unusual for social services to suggest that the women be sterilized. It's the bullying that is unusual.

that Canadian society hasn't got a great record on women's right

Please tell me, as a Canadian woman, how that is the case?

Rachel McKinnon.
Mixed sex prisons where they're having to hand out the morning after pill.
Shutting down women's rape crisis centres.
Shutting down lesbian book shops.
Anymore, anyone?
Canada couldn't really get much worse.

Morgane Oger, is behind s lot of this blatant misogyny, and it quite open about despising women.

Won't derail..

And then there's the Pickton case. He's not the only killer who targeted First Nations women.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

(Note - The downtown East Side of Vancouver, where he found his victims, has for a long time been served by an organization called Vancouver Rape Relief. You know, the one that had a dead rat nailed to its door in the name of trans activism? And that was sued by Kimberly Nixon? So if you want a very direct tie in, there it is.)

He's not the only killer who targeted First Nations women.

He didn't exclusively target First Nations women, he targeted prostitutes in the Hastings Street area of Vancouver.

it's not unusual for social services to suggest that the women be sterilized

Really??!!

Gobsmacked

And a disproportionate number of them were First Nations. This has been pretty extensively discussed so if you think you're going to be able to brush it off then think again.

Also - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Tears

As to it not being unusual to suggest that women in contact with social services be sterilized, if that's meant to be an attempt at defending the practice then yikes.

it's not unusual for social services to suggest that the women be sterilized

Even this is out of order. It is not up to social services to police how many babies women have.

Sure, if a woman doesn't want more children, then she could discuss sterilisation with a doctor.

But if she does want more, then why not suggest long acting contraception e.g coul instead?

Also, why is it women that are getting this? Vasectomy is cheaper and less risky. Why aren't social services targeting the partners of these women to get the snip?

Would it be ok for social services to identify men who had fathered large numbers of children and push them to be vasectomised?

And a disproportionate number of them were First Nations.

A disproportionate number of the prostitutes are First Nations. There a myriad of reasons for this.

As for brushing it off, as someone who is half Mikmaq I can assure you I don't brush this stuff off. What pisses me off is when a bunch of Brit's, who's ancestors created the problem in the first place, start spouting falsehoods and lies on a public forum.

Why on earth would you even attempt to defend the practice of sterilizing First Nations women then (or indeed any other women)? I'm honestly baffled.

it's not unusual for social services to suggest that the women be sterilized

The women this is suggested to are usually drug/alcohol addicts who have had multiple children taken from them at birth. It's not enforced.

Again, as someone who grew up involved with the Social Services system, and who has seen the damage done to these children. I don't think suggesting a women consider sterilization rather than having a 6th heroin addicted child, is necessarily a horrible suggestion.

But go ahead, rage away.

Why are you angry at a bunch of brits on a forum, and not at your government for treating women like this?
You sound like you think this forced sterilisation was somehow justifiable. I'm shocked by that. I haven't seen anyone lying here. If there are lies, then post the facts (with links if poss) to show why its lies

Canadian society hasn't got a great record on women's right

Compared to? Canada always ranks well above the US in 'best country to live' and is usually in the same range as the other big Commonwealth players.

There is an issue with natives. It's hugely complex. A lot of money is thrown at it. The US is the same, but they don't give a shit about their native peoples, so you never hear about it. At least Canada tries.

Why on earth would you even attempt to defend the practice of sterilizing First Nations women then (or indeed any other women)? I'm honestly baffled.

Not defending the hospitals who bullied the women into doing it. That's horrific. I'm trying to provide context, however, on why they were probably bullied.

Again, why not suggest a long acting contraceptive,like the coil? Why not suggest vasectomies to heroin addicted men?