There seems to be something very wrong in canada

[QuentinWinters]

Very pro the "woke" agenda and trans womens rights, whilst coercing indigenous females into having sterilisation
www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/indigenous-women-kept-from-seeing-their-newborn-babies-until-agreeing-to-sterilization-says-lawyer-1.4902693

I'm properly shocked by this article. How can a civilised country even countenance this?

Thank God the thread has descended into common sense while I was at work

Assuming but not granting that these women have serious drug problems, what are they being offered for this problem other than sterilisation?

For all too many years, First Nation people were taken away from their parents at an extremely early age and put in boarding schools run by racist monks, with all the other problems involved with those types of places. What has Canada done to try to repair to enormous damage this caused?

For all too many years, First Nation people were taken away from their parents at an extremely early age and put in boarding schools run by racist monks, with all the other problems involved with those types of places. What has Canada done to try to repair to enormous damage this caused?

They do what they always do - throw money at it. There's an agreement in principle for victims of the 'sixties scoop'. There are other settlements ongoing as well. Nothing will ever be enough of course, because how can you compensate for what they've been through?

I worked on a media project for an international NP that touched on the subject. It's just such a complex issue. And the trauma of the 'scoop' has radiated down to their children and grand children.

Canada is huge and many of these communities are location in isolated areas with means limited work opportunities, and limited access to health care, education, support services. And the biggest threat to native women is native men. If and when they do seek help they are often ostracized and/or face racial bias from authorities.

The indigenous peoples of the US, Aus and NZ all have similar issues.

'sixties scoop'? This practice was in place at the start of the 20th Century on Vancouver Island, shortly after the arrival of the colonists. The government obviously hasn't thrown much money at the problem if the remoteness of their communities is given as a reason for not providing them with proper schools and healthcare.

I think it's really important to look at these kinds of problems contextually, and to beware the identity politics lens.

Indigenous women are over-represented in populations like prostitutes, and women that come into contact with social services. The reasons for that are complicated and not fun reading, and they also stem from difficult social problems that aren't easily solved.

The CBC is not that trustworthy on this stuff though, any more than they are about trans questions. They are quite happy to give the impression that someone like Pickton was targeting First Nations women, when in fact he was targeting prostitutes. They are also quite happy to leave aside the question of whether these kinds of sterilisations were being pushed on women with serious addiction or other problems, or if they were approaching similar non-native women.
The CBC would rather have a headline that mentions any identity group being abused directly than ever ask a question about what the deeper story is. What doesn't get mentioned in a lot of reports about cases like Pickton's are the stories of the non-native women that were murdered, or why it is that First Nations women are over-represented in prostitution in Vancouver.

i suspect the indian act of 18?? really affects what provincial governments can do. first nations are a federal responsibility. and the first nations themselves don't want to do away with the indian act.
the first nations government is rife with mismanagement and shady distribution of money.

The government obviously hasn't thrown much money at the problem if the remoteness of their communities is given as a reason for not providing them with proper schools and healthcare.

^^

I think you underestimate how remote some of these communities are. Many don't even have proper roads.

The price of food in some of the most remote communities is shocking.

The price of food in some of the most remote communities is shocking.

Yes, it is, though there is a Northern allowance. Sometimes southerners who move up North think they will have extra income from the allowance, but they just aren't thinking about what it means to spend $25 on each block of cheese, all year long.

But some problems really aren't about money, they are about the legacy of broken communities.

It isn't just fly in communities that have these proklems, BTW. Urban First Nations communities can as well.

It has been common practice in both the US and Canada for incarcerated women who are pregnant to be sterilized without being informed after delivery. Scandal after scandal and yet it does not stop.

Do you mean the colonized or the colonizers, or both?

The article is vague on what group of women form the bulk of the lawsuit but to give context to geographical isolation, this article explains how women giving birth may have to travel many hours from home to access medical care at a hospital and are thus forced for weeks out of their home.

www.todaysparent.com/pregnancy/giving-birth/indigenousbirth/amp/

Medical care can be scant and it is hard to recruit dr to work on remote communities. Even in larger communities, it is not unusual for a family to have to move cities if a child has cancer for example that can only be treated in as small number of hospitals nationwide.

many health providers try.
this is a very well written guide.
www.vch.ca/Documents/AH-cultural-practices.pdf

most provinces will have something similar.

in my experience their use of silence, and agreeing verbally but not really agreeing can easily lead to problems with consent.

creepster if you meant my post, i'm referring to the first nations men being called warriors. their communities pre colonialization were brutal.

Christ, Quentin. Did you really ask someone who told you they were Mikmaq why they were so angry at a bunch of Brits pontificating over Indigenous women?
How colonial of you. And I have no idea what she said, but the LITERAL silencing of her voice by whoever reported her demonstrates exactly what she was talking about.
Blimey.
The 21st century apple doesn’t fall far from the crusading tree, eh?

I agree OP, although I cannot think of anywhere that is not bad on women’s rights at the moment. The nature of Patriarchy, I suppose.

Canada does seem particularly abysmal amongst Western countries - although it is a beautiful country in other ways.

I’m shocked that the prison situation is shrugged off - MAP being handed out in a female prison = gross institutional failure (yes I know the Dems want the same to apply in the US).

Some brilliant feminists and activists there though, more power to them.

Not sure exactly which “safe spaces” are being referred to here

But yikes

@Coyoacan - non-Indigenous have been on the Island since quite a while before the start of the 20th century!

I don’t think we can put forward Robert Pickton as an example of Canadians’ attitudes to women! Robert Pickton ffs?!!! A serial killer is not representative of the larger populations attitudes about anything.

And finally, someone said upthread that Canada is a bad place for non-whites. For the most part that is not the case. It’s a bad place to be Indigenous (though some First Nations people thrive), that’s a different and troubling problem.

that Canadian society hasn't got a great record on women's right

Please tell me, as a Canadian woman, how that is the case?

Yes, as another Canadian woman, please explain this ridiculous remark.

And I have no idea what she said

I said I was upset because the issues facing First Nations women was being used to push an anti-trans agenda, and it shouldn't be. Not British "feminists" issue to exploit.

Mixed sex prisons where they're having to hand out the morning after pill.
Shutting down women's rape crisis centres.
Shutting down lesbian book shops.
Anymore, anyone?
Canada couldn't really get much worse.

Where the hell re you getting this false information from? I am Canadian and I go an assure you, this is nonsense. There are numerous women’s rape crisis centres, healthcare access is very good. And where exactly are these lesbian bookshops being shut down and by whom? You are spreading some seriously erroneous information.

please explain this ridiculous remark

Because Canada is accepting of trans people and makes efforts to include them, it means Canada is anti-women.

And I have no idea what she said, but the LITERAL silencing of her voice by whoever reported her demonstrates exactly what she was talking about She was deleted for a personal attack, using a banned insult, that broke MN Talk Guidelines. HTH.

fallfallfall I'm not sure where you're getting your information about First Nations communities, but I think you need to educate yourself a little more.