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Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**

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tryandempathise · 27/11/2019 07:54

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

Is it an age thing?

There must be mums on here with trans kids - do you just stay out of it?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

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allmywhat · 28/11/2019 12:21

eyez blatantly admitting their belief that the trauma of the "butch cousin" was more important than the trauma of children who are sexually assaulted was very shocking to me.

I thought they'd try and wriggle out of it but instead they just amped up the "butch cousin" story some more and said "it wasn't some little thing to her." As if it was some little thing to Katie Dolatowski's victims.

You know how you can tell the butch cousin is imaginary? Eyez actually gave a shit about her feelings. The only woman that level of misogynist cares about are the ones who've been invented in men's heads.

Justhadathought · 28/11/2019 12:22

There are some underlying comprehensible (albeit very stupid) ideas though

Just came across these comments under an article about Queer Theory

"As someone who's been reading and arguing this stuff for 30 years plus, I'd say queer theory is harmful, which is something I certainly wouldn't have said at the beginning. Postmodernism is a dead end, just to start; it's based on ideas and emotions and thinks that will re-make our world, which is historically dumb. People who learn it in college now seem to have adopted it as a cult, attacking those who think differently and I mean think, not the obviously anti-queers and have made life HELL for women who, as radical and socialist feminists, came up with a different theory. ON a far more minor note, it's taken root in English departments and lost any connection it once had to reality (full disclosure: my MA and MFA are in English, before I fled to cultural critical studies). So it's also become terribly prescriptive and dull, and impervious to criticism except through threats of violence. Marginalizing material thought and remaking daily life over into postmodernism, which is a combination of art and deconstructing, simply doesn't work in changing the real world -- ie for those over 30, especially those with children, lack of access to resources, and jobs without flexibility. The organized attacks on women ("radical feminists") through intimidation and physical threat, are misogynistic and unforgivable. No matter how oppressed one group is, horizontal hostility shouldn't even be an issue once you've been studying oppression theory of any kind, let alone the most obvious manifestation of the "movement" primarily funded by pharmaceutical corporations".

"This is postmodern nonsense at it's most ludicrous. These people make up words and 'theories' so that they can sound like the hard sciences, when really they're just inventing an epistemology to justify their own warped moral beliefs. They publish non-peer reviewed papers in journals that are never cited. They rise to tenure in their universities and then teach this nonsense as fact to impressionable undergrads. Thus SJW's that espouse this nonsense on Tumblr are the byproduct of these postmodern professors.

Not every postmodern idea is unjustifiable, and some of the arguments can be backed up rationally. The problem is that reason has no place in postmodern thought, and it's all about feelings and how you as an oppressed group perceive injustices" : www.critical-theory.com/what-the-fuck-is-queer-theory/

Ereshkigal · 28/11/2019 12:26

Great comment! I think pomo is generally vacuous and intellectually lazy. I guess it might have been good to shake things up at first, but I don't think what comes from it today is particularly useful. It's normally a way for people to patronise others with language and pretend to be cleverer than they actually are.

LangCleg · 28/11/2019 12:29

I'm still worried about the transphobic goldfish. I hope it got a good pomo-addling and survived.

DodoPatrol · 28/11/2019 12:31

Ouch at 'postmodern nonsense at it's most ludicrous' from an English grad. Hop that was an autocorrect.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/11/2019 12:31

The only woman that level of misogynist cares about are the ones who've been invented in men's heads.

That's because she's the only one who truly loves him.

DodoPatrol · 28/11/2019 12:31

Sigh. Hoist by my own petard. 'Hope'.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 28/11/2019 12:36

rape happens only to hot young women so the bitter old hags don't even deserve rape as the ultimate male compliment.

Paris Lees quote: "I was catcalled, sexually objectified and treated like a piece of meat by men ... And it was absolutely awesome."

Says it all really.

Clymene · 28/11/2019 12:50

Well this thread has been an unexpected delight. Thank you (most of you) for the incisive wit and wisdom.

Love from a bitter old hag GrinGrin

HumberHellraiser · 28/11/2019 12:59

I can virtually hear the popping of new doors opening into the radicalisation portal through this thread.

Welcome to any lurkers. Come on through!

Melroses · 28/11/2019 13:12

Well this thread has been an unexpected delight

Hasn't it just!

I am hoping for someone to come along now and argue that 'up' is 'down', based on the existence of zero-gravity simulators.

popehilarious · 28/11/2019 13:23

^ or "white is black", based on the existence of R Dolezal.... Oh.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 28/11/2019 13:40

And that's why we are hated by the TRAs

With age and experience comes the magic ability to be able to see right through the entitled, narcissistic male bullshit.

We also protect the children.

RedDogsBeg · 28/11/2019 14:29

FWR accused of cyber bullying, it wasn't bullying of any kind - it wasn't even in the foothills of bullying to paraphrase an eminent Judge - by someone who is bullying women and girls into sharing sex segregated spaces with males some of whom will be of the ilk of Karen White and Katie Dolawski, you seriously couldn't make this shit up.

Eyez, like every other cheerleader of this misogynistic dangerous cult never, ever want to explain their stance to the victims, nor are they ever prepared to say how many victims would be the cut off before they thought that maybe, just maybe this isn't such a good idea after all.

That any woman could be promoting and pushing for this is beyond contempt. Laughably they think they will somehow be 'saved' because they cravenly submitted, clearly they have a very poor grasp of history.

ErrolTheDragon · 28/11/2019 14:32

They rise to tenure in their universities and then teach this nonsense as fact to impressionable undergrads.

Surely pomo profs shouldn't be teaching anything as fact?Confused

Melroses · 28/11/2019 14:37

Laughably they think they will somehow be 'saved' because they cravenly submitted, clearly they have a very poor grasp of history.

It is the belief that there is Right Sort of Woman/Transwoman and that it is possible to differentiate between The Right Sort and The Wrong Sort, even in legislation.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 28/11/2019 14:41

Off the back of this thread I’ve just listened to Double Vision by Foreigner. I made it to about 1/3 of the way through

Fuck me that is a terrible song

RedDogsBeg · 28/11/2019 14:50

It is the belief that there is Right Sort of Woman/Transwoman and that it is possible to differentiate between The Right Sort and The Wrong Sort, even in legislation.

I know Melroses it's just so infuriatingly daft, and they can never explain how legislation didn't and doesn't differentiate between The Right Sort of Men and the Wrong Sort for the purposes of sex segregation, the lack of basic understanding is pathetic. Simple, straightforward questions are asked and they just can't or won't answer them.

APerkyPumpkin · 28/11/2019 14:54

Could this be any more spectacular?

Ereshkigal · 28/11/2019 14:55

Was just thinking the same. It is a magnificent thread

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 28/11/2019 14:57

Fuck me that is a terrible song

IKR? And yet the radio insists on playing it to me, just like TRAs insist on talking bollocks at me, so it's fitting.

LangCleg · 28/11/2019 15:06

Could this be any more spectacular?

Only if Eyez returns to announce that the 32,987 PMs in their inbox agree with them but they're too afraid of being literally erased by saggy-titted bigotry to say so on the thread.

LangCleg · 28/11/2019 15:09

Sorry: saggy-titted unfuckable bigotry. How could I have been so remiss? Mea maxima culpa.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 28/11/2019 15:11

I'm waiting for a post that says EYEZ, I AM YOUR COUSIN, STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 28/11/2019 15:17

RedDogsBeg "Eyez, like every other cheerleader"

Come along Red, Eyez told us several thousand times they are a common everyday hairdresser. One of the everyday common people with everyday common sense and everything in common with other everyday common people.

Not like us unfuckable ignorant bigoted old witches who hate penises.

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