Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**

[tryandempathise]

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

Is it an age thing?

There must be mums on here with trans kids - do you just stay out of it?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

I see the issue then, it's that you don't believe that a person can be trans?
Not sure how you got there from my post
Of course people are trans. I work alongside several trans people. It's fine.

Male violence is a huge issue, we haven't fully answered the question of how and why males come to be more violent. There are a number of examples of violent men who transitioned but are still violent.

Many feminists are concerned about reducing levels of violence against women. So of course its of interest to discuss whether or not someone who has transitioned from man to trans women is less of a threat to females than someone who remains a man.
That's before even starting to think about predatory men who will take advantage of any loopholes to abuse women. Men have died trying to plant cameras in ladies facilities, I don't think those kind of men would be put off by having to present as female.

Anyway. Have to go. Meeting Bunbury at the WI this morning

“@Branleuse I said hate because I kept seeing trans women equated with rapists.”

Do you? I only see that when transwomen have raped. Which some have.

Lemonsqueasy it's already been said very clearly. Some transwomen are rapists. Presumably most are not. That isn't the issue.
Once male bodied people are in women's spaces it becomes far harder to protect women from other male bodied people like rapists.

Trojan horse.

Don't come asking questions which have already been answered. That's rude.

• The hint is in the name- mumsnet.

Most posters on a site called mumsnet are going to be mothers.*

And we also know about sex being biological.

If the OP wants to help trans people, they might like to visit the Petitions board and support a petition some TW have set up asking for 'third spaces' to help them without impacting women's rights. These are 'real trans' - but the extreme transactivists are wont to vilify them as 'truscum', one of them was even (unsuccessfully) taken to court for ... transphobia.

I am probably what people call a liberal and at the start I had no issue with trans people. I think that if a person transitions they should legally called the sex they changed too.
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But men shouldn't have access to female spaces, it's dangerous it puts all women at risk, I was wondering the other day, what if an angry incel realizes that all they have to do to have access to women is to pretend to be one?
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Men shouldn't be able to be classed as women in sport. Biologically men are built different to women and have the advantage, so women athletes are being pushed out. But my main issue is children being given hormone treatment, that is barbaric, I have hormonal issues and as a result I have infertility issues and osteoporosis. Giving a child the wrong hormones because they have shown behaviours from the opposite sex is crazy to me.

@QuentinWinters I was led to believe you don't believe in trans because you referred to a trans woman as male:

Why would transitioning stop a male being violent?

Or am I missing another point about sex vs gender here?

lemonsqueasy Why do you keep using that childish insult cis, when you’re completely aware that women don’t like or need it added to female/women? There are transwomen and women. It’s really not difficult. You’re being very women phobic assuming we all align with a stereotype of female that the made up term cis implies. The vast majority of women are trans under the Stonewall umbrella. Actually, my female schnauzer cocks her leg to pee, so she doesn’t even identify as a cis dog, since cis implies a stereotype.

2-3 women are killed by men in the UK every week, that is around 104 women every year

In the States, 3 women are killed by men every day, that is around 1000 women killed every year.

The murder of women is so common place, it is hardly noticed.

Kitten can you find and bump your thread on moderation? It was a good one.

And Germane is calling I know!

XY trans people commit sexual crimes at the same rate as other men.

All the reasons why women are entitled to segregation from men in situations we are vulnerable apply regardless of the XY person's 'gender identity'. We are no safer round XY trans people than any other man.

I find it interesting that in a week when the BBC has finally started to question the sterilisation and mutilation of children and vulnerable young people in the name of unevidenced gender ideology some individuals seem to want to discuss other matters. Any other matters.

The only way OP wants to help transwomen is to goad posters into saying something that breaks guildlines, so the poster and TRAs can get screenshots and posters banned. Same old same old. It’s really rather boring now.

There's no conspiracy here re the bbc doc, which I've heard about for the first time here.
Just constantly scrolling through active threads and decided to finally ask as it's an issue that's on there v frequently.

@T0tallyFuckedUpFamily eh? Why would I be arsed about banning people?

Grey rocks are excellent for the Bunbury garden

trans widows 1

trans widows 2

trans widows 3

Many of these women still very much love their husbands, there's no "hate" but a lot of hurt.
Expecting to call your husband your wife, and then call yourself a lesbian in order to affirm their new identity, and your children to be expected to believe they now have 2 mothers, does take rather a toll.
Are you saying these women can't talk?

ROGD parents support
These parents are worried and very much love their children. They need to be able to talk about it.

1st off are you a plopper or are you coming back?

Bumped. Here ye, here ye, go over to the moderation thread and add your experiences of questionable decisions you've been on the receiving end of.

PSA: it is generally frowned upon to use c*s when referring to women here.

In fact I thought it was banned? Similar to using m*n when referring to TW.

I believe it is banned but those of us on the evil witch/reality and science loving side of the debate tend not to report, so those comments tend to stand.

Looks like I may have to start another massive thread about the moderation...

Or just follow the guidelines like the rest of us.

Huh.
I just clicked on the break-it-down thread, and I noticed Datun's post deleted, then everyone saying what a great and clear post it was.

How annoying, bc i bet it really did explain things well.
I wonder if it was bc it used an acronym, I think it might have explained AGP too?

Looks like they've been busy retrospectively posts even though at the time of making the posts The Rules hadn't been set.

Yeah, I considered reporting the cis usage, based on goose and gender reasons, but I'm not into censoring so I haven't.

But yeah. We all know trans people exist. We also know that despite their sincerely held beliefs, they are not actually a member of the opposite sex.

And yes, you are conflating 'gender' and 'sex', so you are going to run into comprehension problems quickly.

^ Retrospectively deleting posts

I'm not explaining for the thousandth time why that doesn't really work, especially not when there's a whole thread that does so that you could go read if you were interested.

@tryandempathise

OK, let's see you do as your name is. Try And Empathise.

Using your trying and empathising, what do you think are the answers to the questions you have posed?

Can you provide proof of this 'hatred' OP? Links to specific threads and all that jazz.

Can you also explain why protecting women's rights and safeguarding children is a big issue for TRA's or why everything is no debate or shut down with erroneous accusations of transphobia or bigotry when they don't like what they are hearing?

I await your answers.