Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**

[tryandempathise]

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

Is it an age thing?

There must be mums on here with trans kids - do you just stay out of it?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

lemon, define 'female gender', please? This is usually where the different viewpoints become clear.

Devereux1 the OP used a nc to post the thread and then in her second and subsequent posts used a different name to come back. It's an odd use of a nc by MN standards but I'm sure they had their reasons.

However, a male that has had radical surgery to bring their body more in line with the physical characteristics of a female, and who lives their everyday life as though they were genetically female, to me, pose no threat

They pose exactly the same threat as any other male.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the idea that 'transitioning' changes male pattern offending.

XY trans people commit crimes at the same rate as other men, violent crimes at the same rate as other men and sexual crimes at the same rate as other men even if they have had surgery.

And the vast majority of XY trans people do not 'transition' at all. They just choose to present in a manner that is sexist stereotypically associated with women.

Does not make them not a human that should be!

“ And yeah the sport thing is interesting, as a cycling fan I looked into this but came out of it not seeing a problem but can't remember why.”

Ah, right. Could you possibly have a think and see if you can remember? Because it’s quite important. As I’ve said before- I have a son who was a moderately good all round sportsman all through school. A whole ago I checked his PBs against the girl’s school record holders. He would have beaten them all-but he didn’t feature on the boys list .

I think talking about sport is useful in this debate, by the way, because it is has actual facts and figures and is less emotional so can be talked about perhaps more rationally

So sorry Bertrand, getting distracted by this fascinating conversation.

why are you posting in support of a bourgeois, male supremacist, hyper-capitalist, ultra-libertarian neo-religion with an agenda that includes the destruction of child safeguarding?

Lemon - please respond. I post here in support of the rights of women, and girls and child safeguarding and in opposition to a neo-religion imposing a theocracy on me. Why do you post here in opposition to the rights of women and girls and child safeguarding? And why do you think a neo-religion about gendered souls should be imposed on me?

Stop with the c*s. It’s really fucking rude.

I think this answers the question about why there are so many threads here. This isn't just one issue.

We haven't even really covered the free speech angle and Harry the Owl. This isn't just a feminist issue.

So you saw all those threads but didn’t read any of them?

Trans ideology is discussed on here because this is the feminism board & feminists are concerned about women and girls. It is not possible to campaign for the rights of a group once you can no longer name them.

I can’t think of a single thing I have in common with a transwoman that I don’t also have in common with humans in general. There are things I have in common with only other women.

You said sorry Lemon but you could just stop using the word. It's been made very clear it's against the rules. You will start having posts reported and probably deleted.
Please find another way of saying what you want to say without using that word. We all have to do this all the time, you should too.

(I'm lurking and not contributing to the OP as I'm not engaging on these types of threads anymore. That's a new rule for myself.)

lemon, you don't need to @ my user name, I'm already here talking to you.

If the 'feeling' of being a woman is impossible to define, how would we realistically base any significant laws or policies based on that feeling? I don't really care how other feel about their inner identity, I only actually care that women and girls are continually having their rights, protections and boundaries transgressed, and those issues are based in their material sex, not their indefinable feeling.

Woman is not a feeling.

the way I see it is it's impossible to define the feeling of being a woman as it's too ingrained in our whole experience

Same applies to men. I don't know what it's like to feel like a man because I am not one.

@AlunWynsKnee
Thanks, I didn't cotton on to that!

Oh yeah c*s is against guidelines & I find it offensive

Genderism is the problem, not trans people per se.

Feminism was always ‘Bollocks to Gender’, right up until very recently. For most of us, it still is and it will always be so.
Gender harms everyone.

Problem is, that most trans people ARE Genderists (the few that refer to themselves Gender Abolitionists are the exception).

Lemon, please define "woman" without using the word woman.

And at many points in my life I would have said that I 'identify' with men/boys more than women/girls.

“ So sorry Bertrand, getting distracted by this fascinating conversation.”

I’m happy to wait.

I see we've moved on while I did the school run. But on the topic of having an 'intangible sense' that determines reality, a couple of weeks ago I was utterly convinced that my body was actually literally dead.

Oddly enough, the mh professionals did not allow me to take steps towards getting everyone else to think I was dead too. In fact they were quite keen to disabuse me of my peculiar notions.

There is no ‘feeling of being a woman’. That’s just genderist bollocks.

Being a woman is being an adult with a female sexed body.

Feelings don’t come into it 🤷‍♀️

Lemon, you are deliberately using an offensive, redundant prefix before women despite being repeatedly asked to stop doing so. It is incredibly rude. As is your entirely disingenuous ‘sorry’ before using it again.

there are tall, strong women (XX), who could easily outcompete men (XY) at certain sports
Could we have a couple of examples, please, as I've never heard of this?
Their sex is (was) male but their gender is female, right?
No. Their sed
x is male, and their gender (if we accept that they have a gender) would be feminine.