Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

Oops sorry saraclara I wasn't trying to pick on you, my phone didn't update and yours was the last message.

I live in a really religious orthodox Jewish area and definitely there are a lot of women here who wouldn't allow natal male hcps to do intimate procedures. A significant number definitely wouldn't have a coil fitted or smear done by a natal male.

What gets me about all of this though is the sheer arrogance of it all. The automatic assumption that the transwoman's feelings must be placed higher than all other considerations. Why is that OK?

would you really refuse the help of a medical professional because they are not the gender you requested

Sex, not gender. I would 100% refuse. We're talking about mammograms and cervical screenings here. Routine non-urgent care.

So basically, this isn't a male privilege thing. Men don't care, they really don't. There's probably no male doctors charging about demanding that they treat female patients intimately

Some male people absolutely make this kind of demand loudly and repeatedly, even see it as a human rights issue (their rights, not patients rights.) However you're right that they wouldn't get anywhere without the assistance of women who are willing to throw other women under the bus.

What gets me is to why we have to justify it at all

This is bonkers that women and girls are having to justify why they don’t want men doing intimate procesdures

Fuckin* bonkers

The race thing is a diversionary tactic but actually you can, of course, refuse treatment from a HCP because if their race if you like. You have an absolute right to refuse to consent to treatment for whatever reason.

On the Twitter thread linked in the OP there is already a quoted post that boils down to natal women's 'privilege' is the reason they should relinquish the right to a same sex hcp. Plus mention that refusal is 'oppressive'. There is no interest whatsoever in the needs of any of those natal women. Or inclusion. If you need any clue at all that there is nothing loving, inclusive, tolerant, progressive or even basically compassionate about this, it's right there.

Again: why is it not perfectly possible to have a health care system where everyone's needs are met? Some women will be fine with trans hcps, male hcps, some women will require a same sex hcp. Why can this not be just the variety and inclusiveness required?

Answer: because it is a remaining boundary between sex and total freedom of identity. That it involves other people with other needs, is against multiple policies and standard process, puts a patient in the position of meeting the needs of the professional supposedly able to be professional and provide care..... nope. Whoosh over the head.

This is going to have to go to court.

Stonewall training and this kind of training by the NHS' Tara Hewit.

With training so engineered, no wonder women's rights, dignity and privacy are being handed away without our consent.

Yes.

I'm also reminded of that God awful Warwickshire Council sex education programme written by that bloke that tells young girls not to waste the health services' time by asking for a female HCP.

Start 'em young. If the men who are behind all of this can pressure girls to grow up thinking that females have NO right to have a female examine them then maybe by the time girls reach womanhood their bodies will be men's for the taking with no questions asked.

Well fuck that shit.

‘Can I choose to see a male or female GP?
You can ask to see a male or female GP, as long as your surgery has both male and female GPs available.’

www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/nhs-services-and-treatments/can-i-choose-to-see-a-male-or-female-gp/

Hospital Obstetrics (not from the NHS but from a professional body):

www.rcog.org.uk/en/patients/faqs/your-appointment/#q3

‘What happens if I ask to be seen/treated by a female doctor only?
Any O&G department will do their best to provide a woman doctor for you if you state a preference, and it helps if you ask in advance and ensure your request is included with the referral letter from your general practitioner. If it’s not possible, and the situation isn’t urgent, it may be possible to arrange a further appointment at a time when a female doctor is available for you.’

The NHS Constitution (in England) has various helpful statements including that it says ’You have the right to receive care and treatment that is appropriate to you, meets your needs and reflects your preferences.’

The NHS constitution is not enforceable but it is a good statement of intent.

However it’s absolutely inexcusable that the NHS constitution removed the protected characteristic of sex and replaced it with gender.

That is a charter supposed to be about fair healthcare for everyone. Except for women, then.

1. The NHS provides a comprehensive service, available to all
‘It is available to all irrespective of gender, race, disability, age, sexual orientation, religion, belief, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity or marital or civil partnership status’

www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england/the-nhs-constitution-for-england

HandsOffMyRights - that's it!

This is absolutely part of the plan. Remove women and children's rights to consent and to have boundaries. Use threats, intimidation, guilt tripping and coercive control. All clearly evidenced and in plain sight.

I note that there is some gaslighting about chaperones on the first page of this thread.

So I would like to note that the organisations that are pushing for women who ask for female HCPs to be bullied into accepting men instead, have also pushed for sanctions against female staff who offer patients a chaperone when being examined by a transwoman.

The NHS is honestly at breaking point. Unless you work on the front line you have really no idea how bad it is. Staffing levels are the worst they have ever been. Yes you have the right to request a specific gender but would you really refuse the help of a medical professional because they are not the gender you requested

And? Why should women be stripped of their sex based rights because of decades of inept government meddling and mishandling of the NHS?

Start 'em young. If the men who are behind all of this can pressure girls to grow up thinking that females have NO right to have a female examine them then maybe by the time girls reach womanhood their bodies will be men's for the taking with no questions asked

And their children’s bodies.

Is the issue that women are allowed to ask for female HCPs but are not allowed to refuse transwomen. And that transwomen will be hurt if their belief they are female is rejected by the patient?

Ah, so women are supposed to lie back, shut up, and do their bit for England?

There's always some pressing concern that conveniently outranks women's bodily autonomy.

Yes you have the right to request a specific gender but would you really refuse the help of a medical professional because they are not the gender you requested

Yes because given that the last time I let a male hcp provide emergency care (delivering dc1), it was so triggering I tried to kill myself days later. Might as well cut out the middleman.

Before having children, I always felt uncomfortable having a male GP examine me, now I have no problem.

I feel just the opposite.

doryhunky

Yes that’s the issue.

I don’t understand why cultural appropriation is frowned upon but gender appropriation is not.

Auch
The NHS is honestly at breaking point. Unless you work on the front line you have really no idea how bad it is. Staffing levels are the worst they have ever been.

If you really do work on the frontline, you'll also know that the % male and female split of healthcare professionals who are most likely to be performing non-emergency, planned intimate care screening appointments or ward care is much higher female to male.

So stop hoodwinking women into thinking that, if a male who identifies as a woman turns up to their breast screening/cervical screening/bed wash that is there only/best/short staffing option, cos 'the NHS is at breaking point'.

Unless there's a, yet unacknowledged, heroic army of trans-identifying males who have signed up to rush to support females for their smear tests, breast screens and ward care? All being denied providing this support cos 'transphobic women'.

So I would like to note that the organisations that are pushing for women who ask for female HCPs to be bullied into accepting men instead, have also pushed for sanctions against female staff who offer patients a chaperone when being examined by a transwoman.

What? Did I read that right? What possible sanctions are there against making the offer of a chaperone? It’s policy to offer them! Even though that still doesn’t solve the problems of women who want women doctors, it is still an important offer to be making.
Hope those female staff affected by this silencing attempt are taking legal advice. That’s absolutely an appalling development for patients.

Let’s get this gender bollocks clear once and for all, we are requesting, as is our right, a specific sex to perform intimate examinations on us and we do not have to be of a particular faith or to have suffered sexual abuse or otherwise have to justify our preference in any way whatsoever. It is not our responsibility to validate someone else’s gender identity or expression at the expense of our own comfort at any time and especially not in a healthcare setting when the focus is supposed to be on us as patients.

Dory
Is the issue that women are allowed to ask for female HCPs but are not allowed to refuse transwomen. And that transwomen will be hurt if their belief they are female is rejected by the patient?

Dory, yes. You put it so well.

And don't forget that 'transwomen' nowadays in so much official training just means 'anyone who says they're a woman'. Not the old assumption that these are men who felt so much discomfort about their bodies that they undertook surgery to remove their penis and testicles. (Not that that makes them a woman)

Anyone. Any man. Who says they are a woman is defined by the NHS and many organisations as a transwoman.

"You have an absolute right to refuse to consent to treatment for whatever reason."

Refusing treatment is one thing, refusing it by a certain doctor but expecting another doctor to perform it is a different matter. I don't think you have a right to do that.