Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

Another one on the awful story about The Guardian Blind Date story, with a Twitter person stating that women can have Adam's Apples too.

I just find it illogical to say that you want only hcps who were born female to care for you because that does include transmen who, in lots of cases, pass very well as men.

If you got one specifically because you had requested a biological female, you'd know they weren't a man, wouldn't you? Most of them don't pass, but I'd grant you, more than MTFs.

It really isn’t, hooves.

Transmen may or may not still have all their female ‘equipment’ but they will have had
more personal experience of female gynae challenges than any trans identifying man.

That’s what I want from my female HCP. Others have dofferent concerns and I respect those. But I want someone playing with the same deck as me.

No worries, Handsoff.

Hearhooves, when I've worked with a transman (who passed pretty convincingly) the thing that gave it away was that I didn't have the usual responses I get to a male.

The point is that patients have these responses according to sex. It's not about tricking them into compliance, it's about respecting those wishes. Same as sexual orientation. TRA theory clashes with sex preference.

If the general population was asked this question openly, what do you think their answer would be? How many women would prefer a female HCP for intimate procedures? How many would be fine with a transwoman?

No it isn't. A transman shares my biology. There is no flaw there. I want a female. I don't care if the female is non binary, or trans identifying. That is entirely logically consistent. And everyone knows that. You included.

Ridicule me if you like, but it was true. Another poster also said they were examined by a Dr and a nurse and the nurse made them feel uncomfortable too.

Slight correction that poster said both the Dr and nurse made her uncomfortable. The nurse wasn't doing anything wrong it was simply the fact she needed to stand and watch as a chaperone that made that poster uncomfortable. If the Dr had been female then it would have been a different situation. Please don't misrepresent what people say like that

I’ve had some unempathetic female HCPs, including one nurse during a smear who made it quite clear she was judging my choice not to have children. But the only time I’ve ever had two fingers inserted into my vagina with virtually no warning was by a male doctor, alone in his examination room when I’d gone with suspected IBS-type systems. I was about 19 and naive and still a virgin and I was fucking terrified of what might happen next in a way I’ve never been with the most uncaring or oblivious female medic.

Not ridiculing you hooves just astounded at the egocentricity.

That’s awful iceberg

Chaperones are there to protect the hcp too. I had a male dr insist on a chaperone for a breast exam once. I didn’t really care but he did.

Thank you Cuckoo. It shouldn’t even have needed saying but I am so fucking pissed off with handmaidens who scoff at women wanting legitimate and proportionate boundaries around their own bodies, just because they are happy not to enforce the same ones themselves.

I know this has been said a lot on this thread, but males who want to perform intimate procedures on women who have expressly said they don’t want to have a male do the procedure shouldn’t be working in medicine —or anywhere probably—

Oh strike through fail!

This would be a great campaign for @MNHQ!

Right up there in the priorities list, that women can access personal healthcare with their dignity and privacy intact.

I know this has been said a lot on this thread, but males who want to perform intimate procedures on women who have expressly said they don’t want to have a male do the procedure shouldn’t be working in medicine or anywhere probably

It bears repeating. Over and over until people wake up.

Indeed, Bernard. A person who is aware that someone does not want to be touched by them in an intimate way and who insists that their profession and "identity" entitles them to do so anyway is the absolute last person who I would feel comfortable being examined by.

Absolutely Bernard, whilst I don't know about healthcare , males in social care would agree. I managed a service for young people and part of our work was to provide intimate care. We had a number of men on the staff team. If I had asked them to bathe or provide other intimate care for females they would have considered it completely inappropriate. But they were decent men who were very good at their jobs.

A person who is aware that someone does not want to be touched by them in an intimate way and who insists that their profession and "identity" entitles them to do so anyway is the absolute last person who I would feel comfortable being examined by.

This, in twelve-foot high flashing neon letters.

I mean, you are asking women to put themselves in a vulnerable position with a HCP who has already proven that they do not respect her clearly stated boundaries. How could anyone feel comfortable in that situation? What other requests might they decide to disregard?

It occurs to me that I'd be particularly concerned about anything to do with giving birth, as doctors have a tendency to disregard the preferences of the woman in that situation anyway.

I noticed that the great humour-free zone that is Harrop was on Twitter apparently deliberately misinterpreting the template letters after one of his fans drew it to his attention and of course scoffing at it as a real doctor ought to.

As a actual doctor I’m sure it’s not news to him that females tend to require actual females for certain intimate procedures. Even my dad knows this.

It’s being wilfully misinterpreted both here and on Twitter as “horrible wimmin saying they only want a female HCP for absolutely everything....they will die!!!”

Funny cos he also had a post laughing at Mnetters for being too literal when he is being intentionally so.

For clarity the point (for the lurkers)
is we do not want a trans woman wheeled out in situations where we have asked for a female.

During labour the most useful phrase I discovered was ‘I don’t consent to that’.

That did seem to get through to the (male) consultant.

But anything else up to and including ‘please don’t’ seemed to have very little effect

Good times!

I mean, I'm fine with my dentist being a bloke. Why wouldn't I be? I don't have to get naked when I go to the dentist.

Harrop just can't seem to mask his hatred of women even for very brief periods of time.

Dentistry can trigger past trauma, though. Jessica Eaton has done some work on this.

Kittens you don’t go to the dentist naked??

I can imagine dentistry being very difficult for some people- it’s a very vulnerable position in the dentists chair with all those tubes in your mouth.
Anyway- exactly what bernard said. Decent hcp respect patient choices even if they don’t agree or understand them.