Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

[Siameasy]

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

hermaphroditism, where the whole genome has become intertwined?

Plants, never in people.

Oh! And Greek mythology, of course.

Maya's and Harry's cases could be vital. That stating biological fact is not an act of hate, it's just fact. And the right to belief: to not be compelled to perform a belief you do not share.

Then we need someone with protected characteristics to go into court and stand up to that policy, who is well funded enough to have good barristers such as Anya, and resilient enough to stand up under the kind of abuse Caroline, Harry's wife and others talk about living with on a daily basis.

Isn't eggnog alcoholic?
Sadly, no. You have to add your own alcohol to the store bought egg nog.

hermaphroditism, where the whole genome has become intertwined?

I think I'm dying, someone send help/a nice friendly St Bernard with a restorative bottle of brandy.

(Actual brandy, not lemon juice identifying as brandy.)

hermaphroditism, where the whole genome has become intertwined?

I think I'm dying

Also me. Is it like this, miss? Is it? Is it?

You lemon phobic monster Kittens

I bet you'd never know the difference.

A Yorkie that identifies as a St Bernard would not be acceptable as the barrel of brandy would be too small, or the dog would keel over.

The Wikipedia page on hermaphrodite is interesting
In the human context the word is " scientifically spurious and clinically problematic"
Quite daming

Also led me down a little rathole to do with asexual reproduction. It seems that if it was possible, it would still be females who actually gave birth, you need to have the female biology.

hermaphroditism, where the whole genome has become intertwined?

No, when the whole genome has become intertwined you end up with a Spiderbaby - the body of a spider but its actually a baby. When its not wholly intertwined you end up with either a spider or a baby depending on the direction of the intertwining.
I know .... it gets rather complicated but that’s true science for you. It’s a fact.

Spiderpig is real. I saw it on TV. Evidence attached.

Spider Pig - now you’ve blown my mind and I can’t deny the evidence.
I’m going to get myself a strong coffee and have a sit down < sips orange juice really slowly while shaking head in disbelief >.

It's not a PTSD thing, it's a 'being a human being' thing.

Not even being human. How many dog, cats, horses etc have you come across where the owner will tell you he doesn’t like men?

Also, just because I don’t shout ‘hang on, you’re a bloke’ doesn’t mean I don’t notice. I mainly don’t care. I’m generally of the ‘crack on and live your life’ school of thought.

Oh, god, for real?! I have PTSD! It is related to child bereavement and my son's subsequent illness. Nothing to do with the sex of HCPs but well, not being stupid or obtuse I recognise that in this case, other people, hence, no need to merail, cannot be treated by a male HCP in non-emergency cases, they will instead choose to forgo such treatment, even imperiling their health to point of death. They are not me, they do not consent and their right is being taken from them. That is fucking wrong!

Why would a mtf transperson want to put themselves forward for doing specifically same sex requested procedures anyway? Surely that would be a really weird thing for them to want to do even if the NHS allowed it?

Dear bunny,

The reason we have to say ‘uterus havers’ Is because ‘woman’ has been taken from us as a word.
And ‘adult human female’ is apparently hate speech.

HTH.

“ respect anyone’s wish to be treated by only born female ‘uterus havers ‘(horrible, clinical, masculine phrase).”

And just to reaffirm my point - I want the person advising me on my malfunctioning uterus to be in possession of their own. Not to believe that they can somehow menstruate through willpower and wishing alone.

Not to believe that they can somehow menstruate through willpower and wishing alone.

Well, there is also the grubbing round in sanitary bins in female toilets for used items option that several male sexed people have been very keen to discuss online...

Some women are fine with male HCPs doing their pap smears. That is perfectly fine. Nobody is saying they must request a female HCP - that would be ridiculous!

Other women want only female HCPs doing them and this is also perfectly fine. No one would ever say that those women must accept a male HCP doing it.

They might rather slyly appeal to your female socialisation - just reject it and ignore them.

I personally don't have an issue with it but I reckon it's perfectly effing acceptable if you've been raped or abused by a man. Who are they to tell anyone what they can or can't feel comfortable with!

I was initially very angry at the fucking fuckers who don't understand/care about women's consent.
They can still fuck all the way off.

But damn, you women are funny.

Tricking someone into drinking coffee when they agreed to drinking orange juice is a violation of their absolute sovereign right to decide what enters their body. The kind of person who enjoys violating someone that way is completely unsuitable to be a HCP and is probably also a rapist.

Any male who uses deceit or coercion to insert a speculum into the body of a woman who requested a female HCP is a criminal sexual assailant under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 Section 2. Any male HCP who does that to me without my express consent, regardless of gender identity, I will report to the police.

Any male who uses deceit or coercion to insert a speculum

And before anyone sealions, a woman who did the same without consent would also be a criminal sexual assailant. However, the subject of this thread is males using trickery and coercion by masquerading as females and altering hospital policies to deny women the right to insist on a female HCP.

I feel these in depth discussions define us as females - we'reabke to debate without weapons, because it’s about perceptions, not forcing someone to agree.

I don't often acknowledge misandry because patriarchy exists for male benefit. However, this a prime example of misandry. Being able to debate without weapons isn't a "female" trait, it's a civilised trait. Plenty of males can debate without weapons, yet you imply that only women can do that, otherwise how else would it define us? Yes, I despair of male violence and wish that men were violent at the same low rate as women, but I think that they are capable of being peaceful if they put their minds to it. You otoh think that non-violence defines women, implying that you have given up on men.