Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

I missed the fact that it's men's taxes paying for the nhs. I never realised taxes were sex segregated. What do women's taxes pay for?

I thought my satire of the Groundhog Day commenter(s) was quite good but on reflection, perhaps it was too accurate? Sorry! For avoidance of all doubt, that was parody.

You mean I can't identify as ANYTHING and have my taxes pay for trains? Ah well.

RedDogsBeg

Here, smears are done by the practice nurse who is female.

Anything needing to be done by a Dr you'd have to book with a specific Dr to get a male or female.

The main problem seems to be if you go to the hospital. You won't know who you'll be seeing until you're there. Someone I know was recently sent on the 2 week pathway for possible penile cancer. When he got there the consultant was female so it doesn't always follow that any intimate treatment will be provided by a same sex Dr.

it doesn't always follow that any intimate treatment will be provided by a same sex Dr.

However there is always the option of requesting a same-sex hcp.

However there is always the option of requesting a same-sex hcp.

There should be, with the specific case I mentioned there isn't as there are strict guidelines about who can investigate/treat penile cancer apparently. Only 12 hospitals in England can treat it. 2 cover the entire south/south east and are in London. Consequently they send consultants out to local hospitals so there is absolutely no choice. I know it's not necessarily relevant to this discussion but may be if there is only 1 HCP qualified to treat a condition.

If you require a same sex HCP then I think you should state this when you book the appointment, if they don't accommodate this then of course it's not your fault if you make another appointment but I do think it's the patients responsibility to request it at the time of booking.

Head.desk.face.palm. K: here's the thing, even if you state that you want a same sex HCP at the time of booking, you may get a person who is XY and therefore male, because that person believes he is female and the NHS has now decided that they are and you are a bigot if you don't accept his treating you, with of course, no chaperone because he's female.

If, however, the patient didn't ask for it ahead of time but expects to be accommodated on the day then that is wasting resources that could be used to treat another patient.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras you still haven't read the link in the OP have you? This whole thread is about how someone doing what you suggest is discriminatory and unacceptable according to the NHS.

Screenshot since you seem to be reluctant to click on the link.

Whilst I agree with the point, to an extent. Does that also mean that those who are women, but are presenting as men, are acceptable?

And the person who wrote the letter wrote it about an appointment for a mammogram, not 'any service'.

Speaking for myself, I would not be concerned by a female who presented as Male...that's their choice and one i can understand . Further, My understanding is that such people pose no enhanced risk to women.

I'd like to point out to the 'Go private then' types that health insurance excludes treatment for things that are chronic ie things that cannot be cured. Many disabilities fall into that category. The only options are self funded private care or the NHS.

I honestly can't understand how there are women who will actively try and belittle and mock the people who have concerns about receiving intimate, possibly distressing and painful medical care from someone who insists you have to participate in his Shania Twain experience. Someone who may insist you put aside the evidence of your own eyes and brain, ignore any personal difficulty you have - all to validate a person whose primary responsibility is to "do no harm".

That they dare compare it to a situation where everyone knows in advance, and accepts that it is a male medical professional, which brings with it options for chaperoning etc, for both parties safety and dignity.

These women's contempt for their own sex is appalling.

OldCrone

I have read it. My post was in reply to people saying that it's a strain on NHS resources. I'm saying I don't think it is a strain providing you stipulate it when you make your appointment.

The question of whether the NHS considers you a bigot for doing so wasn't the point that I was referring to. As regards chaperones I've often been asked if I want a chaperone when being treated by a female HCP. The only time I wasn't was when I went for a mammogram and the radiographer took me into the scan room, locked the door and stood there while I got undressed in front of her. That did make me very uncomfortable and actually I would have preferred a male radiographer because they wouldn't have done that. Because she was a woman I felt unable to say anything and it clearly appeared that this was the procedure in that hospital.

Whoever is doing the examinations I think much more thought needs to go into making sure patients are comfortable with what's happening and that nothing is ever assumed.

Am quite amazed at some of the wilful not-getting-it on this thread.

Though not surprised to be honest. After all, The latest tactic is to paint the desire for any kind of single sex accommodations as hopeless, outdated bigotry that women only pretend to want so we can shit on men .

My post was in reply to people saying that it's a strain on NHS resources. I'm saying I don't think it is a strain providing you stipulate it when you make your appointment.

The point is that even if you stipulate it, you may come face to face with a male who identifies as feminine.

That will be deemed as fully meeting your request.

Then what? Waste the appt? Kick up a stink and get the bigot police on you? Submit to participating in this person's validation against your will?

Their qualifications make their gender - birth or choice - completely irrelevant. I can how some religions may view it though (don’t agree!)

There's no such thing as birth gender

The question of whether the NHS considers you a bigot for doing so wasn't the point that I was referring to.

Well it's quite important. If they think you're a bigot and your request is inappropriate and discriminatory, presumably they may refuse to act on it.

I would have preferred a male radiographer because they wouldn't have done that.

How do you know?

Because she was a woman I felt unable to say anything and it clearly appeared that this was the procedure in that hospital.

Of course you could have made a complaint. You can complain about anything that you find unacceptable.

Then what? Waste the appt? Kick up a stink and get the bigot police on you? Submit to participating in this person's validation against your will?

If you don't want to be treated by a specific HCP then you have the right to request not to be. Yes, that will waste that appointment but you would have done your best to avoid doing so by calling ahead. As for being accused of being a bigot, I can't answer. If that is what the NHS doing then I dont know how you counter it. Maybe it depends on how you make your request? I am under the care of a professor at a big teaching hospital. I don't like the care he's previously given me and so don't want to be seen by him again. In clinic there are a number of registrars and more junior drs and I happy to be seen by any of them so when I get there I quietly explain to the receptionist that I don't want to see Prof X and they put a note on my file, no.problem, no questions asked but I do t stand there and loudly declare to the waiting room that I won't see Prof X and the reason why. That wouldn't be acceptable but quietly asking not to see him is fine imo.

You're entitled not to agree, Bunny. Just like women of those faiths and cultures are equally entitled not to agree with you.

Is it just me, or is there suddenly in this movement a highly anti minority faith/culture element? Because it's getting really distasteful.

That wouldn't be acceptable but quietly asking not to see him is fine imo.

Writing to the hospital in advance is not acceptable either. You're a transphobic bigot if you don't accept that the man in front of you is a woman. That's the problem, even though you are refusing to see it for what it is.

Women are being told to accept that a man is a woman if he says he is, and we are bigots if we don't.

OldCrone

Because, ime, male hcps have always been aware of privacy and not appearing inappropriate. I've never had a male Dr expect me to undress in front of them for example.

And I know that I could have complained but it felt wrong to complain because I anticipated the attitude being "well she's female so it's fine" but it didn't feel fine and was at complete odds with anything I've ever experienced. You always have at least curtains to change behind, this was just a big room with us both in it. The fact that she just stood and watched and didn't even attempt to busy herself doing something else just made me very uncomfortable because it just wasn't at all what I expected.

I really can't believe a man would have done it and had he have done I would definitely have complained because it just felt so inappropriate.

All I would worry about is "are they qualified for the job"

If it's a pelvic exam or smear test and the HCP is male, he is not qualified to do that job for me because of my sexual assault history and consequent vaginismus. I said this upthread, RTFT FFS.

I think those women who have cultural/faith objections are either pearl clutching right wing anti-abortion Christians or backward ill-educated downtrodden Muslims and therefore they don't really need to be accommodated and their bodily autonomy can be disregarded. Such is the level of analysis among the woke.

That was answering Michelle