Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

Post natal care has long been appalling, no wonder we have such high rates of PND when women are ignored, told to suck up pain and exhaustion and get on with it.

Who is telling women to suck it up and get on with it? Ime it was the midwives who were all female, so insisting on only having female HCP certainly does mean that you'll get good or even understanding hcps.

Possibly stupid, but as far as I can see it's about women consenting, or not being allowed to consent, to receiving treatment/medicinal intervention etc from only someone of the same sex?

And as for the word gender, possibly the wrong word, maybe sex? Who knows

So it doesn't bother you, fine. But you are probably in a minority, certainly when it comes to the 25% of women who have suffered sexual abuse

. I'm alright jack isn't an attitude I ever would be proud to advertise.

Well you used the word gender. So am thinking you might want to explain the word gender ?

Gender, how someone feels in relation to the expectation of today

Sex , how to tell a sperm ejacualtor from someone who may end up giving birth

Sexual abuse tends to be sex based not gender based

Hh

1. Same sex treatment for intmate care is currently standard NHS treatment.

2. Most practice nurses (the people who administer smears) are currently female as are almost all mammogram staff.

SO IT IS NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF NHS RESOURCES.

Furthermore, we have had a child sexual abuse survivor explain that in her case it's not just privacy, dignity and bodily autonomy that are at issue, but medical need because her vagina clamps shut in the presence of a male HCP and he can't perform the necessary procedure.

SO THOSE OF YOU COMING ON AND PLOPPING SHITE, JUST STOP WILL YOU?

Have you ever actually seen one trans person that actually looks genuinely and convincingly like their acquired gender?

MTF? Nope. Not a single one.

I guess the counter argument is that if they were convincing then you wouldn’t know.

SO IT IS NOT A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF NHS RESOURCES.

It is a problem if the patient arrives for a routine appointment without having expressed a need for a same sex HCP in advance, and then refuses to be seen by the hcp available because then a 2nd appointment needs to be booked.

If you require a same sex HCP then I think you should state this when you book the appointment, if they don't accommodate this then of course it's not your fault if you make another appointment but I do think it's the patients responsibility to request it at the time of booking.

Your approach works hooves until some receptionist says "why" and then you are left with a choice of running away or explaining something distressing. I can write on here what I have never actually managed to say IRL, and I would guess I am not special!

That's an entirely made up scenario.

No way would a GP's practice schedule a male nurse to do a routine cervical smear, pre booked in advance, because regardless of the patient's wishes, he would need to find a chaperone which would indeed be a waste of resources.

(The only time I've needed, on the basis of symptoms, to be given an unexpected internal by my then male GP, he went to get a chaperone before proceeding, as a routine thing.)

There are plenty of female nurses out there; practices know that scheduling a male practitioner would lead to endless complications and a need for chaperones. So they don't do it.

This only becomes a problem when genderist lobbyists press to make us all pretend that gender is a thing and that to be concerned by biological sex doesn't matter.

If you require a same sex HCP then I think you should state this when you book the appointment, if they don't accommodate this then of course it's not your fault if you make another appointment but I do think it's the patients responsibility to request it at the time of booking.

If you read the link in the OP you'll see that this is about the NHS viewing the writing of such a letter by a patient as being unacceptable and discriminatory.

None so blind as misogynists who won't see.

We're talking about an NHS Trust unilaterally declaring that women requesting same sex HCPs for intimate procedures such as smear tests are bigoted - when that this the accepted fucking standard of care.

Because intact XY persons with gender identities and their allies and lobby groups want the accepted standard of care to change.

Why do the vile people on this thread think the accepted standard of care should change?

Personally I don't care which sex does intimate examinations or whatever. BUT, some other women do care very much..so the option of female only should be there. female meaning female too. Not some male who has a feeling in their head that says hes a woman

I don't know if anyone has made this point yet, but it's an incredible strain on scarce NHS resources for fussy little madams like yourselves to go demanding same-gender healthcare providers as if you have a right to it or something. You should all be glad you're even getting healthcare treatment that's paid for by taxes on men's earnings.

You and your unreasonable demands are going to be personally responsible for it when the NHS collapses and frankly you should all be ashamed.

I have to say that personally don't care at all who sticks a hand up my fanny, as long as they wash it first - or at least run it briefly under the tap, I know doctors are all very busy. Behold my womanly virtue, which you should also aspire to.

(Sorry for possibly excessive sarcasm. Am annoyed - seriously, why is it Groundhog Day in here?)

MIdgebabe

My answer to "why" would be "because that is what I want and because it's my right to request it". I would then complain to the.practice manager. At the end of the day, it wouldn't be the patient wasting NHS appointments if they refused the hcp when they got there. If, however, the patient didn't ask for it ahead of time but expects to be accommodated on the day then that is wasting resources that could be used to treat another patient.

I recently had an appointment to have a vaginal ultrasound and it clearly bsaid in the letter that it could be a male Dr who does it and if I wanted a female Dr then I needed to phone up to arrange it. I think it would've been wrong to have just turned up and then refused the appointment when the Dr turned out to be male.

Smear tests, mammograms, prostate checks and ANY other routine intimate procedures or examinations should ALWAYS be carried out by an hcp of the same SEX as the patient, that should be the absolute rule, no ifs, buts or maybes, it shouldn't have to be requested because it should be the automatic default in the system. It certainly is where I live, GP and hospitals alike.

You should all be glad you're even getting healthcare treatment that's paid for by taxes on men's earnings.

Well that gave me a much needed good laugh. Oh what a give away.

Indeed since you were asked to phone, it would have been very unreasonable!

I actually find it quite hard to answer a why question without actually saying why...but I can be a bit literal sometimes

The default in our surgery is a female for anything intimate, and the persons name told at time of booking. So it could only be an issue if there was at attempt to fool someone, eg using a female name for a male person.

Yes it is Groundhog Day here. I don't care so no one else should. Bully for you.

I missed the fact that it's men's taxes paying for the nhs. I never realised taxes were sex segregated. What do women's taxes pay for?

Michelle I think Kantastic is sarcastically taking the piss out of some of the misogynistic responses on this thread.

I love that we are simtaneously being told off for wasting resources AND told that HCPs 'identifying' as women and wanting to perform intimate procedures on females could have a female trail around after them all the time to get around the issue.

I mean

And yes, such massive privilege showing all over this thread. What happened to empathy? How is telling women to "shut up' and 'be grateful' OK?

What do women's taxes pay for?

MP’s expenses and the civil list, ’cause we like princesses, royal weddings and buying frivolous shite.

Kantastic definitely is As I said, I was ready for that laugh!

Oh. I wanted to be paying for trains.