Ru Paul's Drag Race FOI request?

[WineIsMyCarb]

Given that the BBC does not allow 3rd party advertisers, is an FOI request the right way to go about finding out if the headline slot on BBC iPlayer for RuPaul's Drag Race is paid for? Have had wine, am cross. Sick of the fucking sight of him. (Follows previous thread about iplayer not having an algorithm and others' about drag being misogynistic in large parts).

Yesterday, I received an initial response to my complaint (to the BBC).....explaining it might take a little longer than normal for a full response......I'm imagining that because this has now become more an open and public issue for debate, they want to be fully 'prepared' when they finally do put out a response.

@Justhadathought if you aren't white you would simply say so instead of writing a whole post trying to hide your privilege.

@Justhadathought if you aren't white you would simply say so instead of writing a whole post trying to hide your privilege

Yeh, right!

You'll find you can't hide behind 'intersectionality', on this forum, just because you are unable and unwilling to debate. No-one is buying it. And no-one is silenced by it.

I think 'debate' went out of the window some time ago.

Have a drag-conga

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I'm always up for a conga!
hitches onto back of fluffy

Yesterday, I received an initial response to my complaint (to the BBC).....explaining it might take a little longer than normal for a full response......I'm imagining that because this has now become more an open and public issue for debate, they want to be fully 'prepared' when they finally do put out a response.

Interested to hear their excuses, but well done for raising this.

Many of us have been silent in the past about drag, rather than daring to voice what we really think.

@Justhadathought you are the one who is refusing to debate.

You just started to quote black women as you seem unable to clearly put your point across without trying to make a comparison between two things that are not equal.

It was clearly pointed out to you why those two things were not equal but you keep trying to say they are.

I'm surprised you haven't bothered to quote some Asian women particularly East Asian women on the issues of yellowface and saying that's equivalent.

No-one is silencing you it is just being pointing out to you that you need to put your point across without making invalid and damaging comparisons.

"It is inevitable that the intersection of race, sex, trans, and class—the Four Highways of the American Intersectional Left—are about to collide. Maybe that’s why they call it intersectionality. People who hang out in intersections often get hit by trucks"

"RuPaul, the impresario of the cult-hit TV show, RuPaul’s Drag Race, would seem to have impeccable cultural credentials and an ironclad Get Out of Woke Jail Free card, but as the intersections of intersectionality get more complicated and overlapping, even RuPaul has been tripped up"

"At some point in the future, somewhere near the intersection of RuPaul’s Drag Race and Ralph Northam’s blackface, it will occur to someone in the feminist community that drag is, when you get right down to it, blackface for girls. Men dressing up as extreme versions of “the oppressed other,” with elaborate makeup and more than a hint of cruel disdain for their subjects" : www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/what-drag-and-blackface-have-in-common/

Quoting other people is not debate..

Quoting other people is not debate

I'm not sure what you are after - other than to troll - which is what you are doing.

The discussion is going on without you. We'll update you when there is a formal response from the BBC - and then we'll decide where to take it from there. Ciao!

Nor is calling people a troll!

It is a personal attack though.

@Justhadathought you are still doing it. Making invalid comparisons and as a PP said quoting other people is not debate.

I always find it odd when I challenge white women and liberal posters on forums they refuse to come up with clear arguments to back their opinion. They also frequently haven't properly watched or read what they are complaining about, as if they had they would be able to present a lot more arguments than the small number they are making.

I'm now waiting for you to accuse me of trolling you.

Troll and ciao flung out?!
Now ciao is just a posher way of saying big off, go away, don't challenge or question any of my opinion!
Bloomin' eck.
Discussion really isn't tolerated by some is it?!
Are we still doing the conga fluffy?
Legs getting tired now lol old

@Justhadathought you are still doing it. Making invalid comparisons and as a PP said quoting other people is not debate

You may think that being black makes your views and experiences more valid, and maybe in the circles you move in that is true. Intersectionality makes for hierarchies of oppression, and for those 'lower down' the oppression hierarchy there is no valid platform to make the comparisons they wish. One must always bow down to the most oppressed, and their voice must be, somehow, sacred.

I'll make any comparison I feel to be valid - and I have done.Your word on what makes for validity is neither sacrosanct nor law. Trying to claim blackness, alone, makes your view more valid does not wash.

There is no singular opinion in any one group - as my references to a few black voices show. I cannot speak as a black person, if I'm not a back person, can I? But I can speak for myself without hectoring from you. And you cannot speak for me, or for my lived experience.

Tough! You don't like any comparison being made between blackface and drag. You are entitled to your view. But it carries no more weight than mine.

I' m not the first to make a comparison and I won't be the last.

Now I'm relieved to have got that straight, I won't be responding further. You do what you like.

Your lived experience of brutal oppression by a drag queen?

@Justhadathought so you haven't actually watched a few episodes? If you had you would have lots of better arguments to make without randomly quoting other black women.

Many non-white people in particular women are fed up to the back teeth of white women trying to claim that racial identity is the same as female identity. It is not, but then you wouldn't know because it isn't your lived experience.

And no my view carries less weight than yours because of your white privilege. You are actually in the group who affirmative action and discrimination policies help the most.

@thefluffysideofgrey she won't be answering. She doesn't like someone questioning her white female privilege.

Privilege poker time? Yawn

Ru Paul has some wonderful suits. I much prefer his male costume dress sense. Love tonight's suit

I don't know- that gold dress was amazing! I'd need some serious underwear to pull it off post baby, but God I'd love to try

@2Rebecca matters of ethnicity and race are always boring to white people who aren't affected by it.

Out on 10 January on Netflix AJ and The Queen staring Ru Paul.

I dislike the intersectionality oppression Olympics too.

I haven't seen RuPaul's show but never much cared for drag. It reminds me of a famous fictional male character being a misogynistic arse:

"I have heard of your paintings too, well enough; God hath given you one face, and you make yourselves another: you jig, you amble, and you lisp, and nickname God’s creatures, and make your wantonness your ignorance. Go to, I’ll no more on ’t; it hath made me mad"