John Lewis

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Waiting for the bus in the rain tonight after work with DH. Discussion turns to what to have for dinner.

There’s a big M&S next to the stop - DH nods towards it and says ‘Well I suppose that’s out now then?’. Good boy...

Waitrose is our local shop so this will hurt. JL I don’t tend to use. I’ve tried to have a conversation with my brother and mother about this to no avail. They don’t believe that incidents are high and that we should think about how hard it must be on the people who are in the wrong body. My brother is very woke (he’s gay and has some trans friends) but can’t understand my position at all. They’re both very middle class and I think live in a bit of a bubble. I tried to tell my mum about a spy camera being found in our local costa toilets. Her response was “well if they’re so interested in watching us pop”. Neither really get it. I also ended up in an argument with someone as I really didn’t like being referred to as a cis woman. But back to JL they seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. This whole movement has set us back so so far.

Screaming seems sensible. My dd has a scream that is unbelievably loud and high ( it scares me witless whenever she has a huge spider in her bedroom).
Although when the man called me to the changing room when I worked in a shop, to see him in a sheer silk nightdress , socks and nothing else, pointing his erection at me, I didn’t make a sound. I was struck dumb, shocked and scared. I wish I had screamed . By the time I got help he had scarpered.

Arse. Oh well, sure there is somewhere else to buy a fridge freezer. Oh and they have just lost £509 we were going to spend on a camera.

Sod off JL.

Just watching The Last Leg - who do you think they'd support?

Hmm, I don’t know. I would hope women, but I think men more likely.

I like the idea of screaming. Banshee keening in protest.

Last leg. Wokies

I don’t think I can scream. I can shout though. What about a rape alarm?

John Lewis’s and markies Waitrose all having failing profits.

So,there we go.

They want us as customers or they don’t

Everyone I know uses Lidl or Aldi or Asda

But then we are not rich.

And primark just a rammy in changin* rooms any pervert would get a punch in eye from an angry mum

Disappointed. So disappointed. There goes my Christmas shopping. My Waitrose order has just gone pfftt!

Do let them know!

I am so worried about coming face to face with this situation. I was sexually abused as a child (by a man) and would go to pieces if I was in a changing room with a curtain or that wasn't floor to ceiling and found out there were men in such close proximity.

Does anyone know if anyone has taken this up with a retailer, ie. a victim of some kind of abuse/violence from a man explaining the impact such store policies would have on them?

I am not on Twitter, but would be interested to know if it has come up and what the responses are/were.

To be honest one of my angers is that Marks and JL are not honest with their customers. If Primark have marked their changing as mixed or equivalent that is better as you know men may be in there.

But overall none have them have consulted womens groups as they would have heard your view ENglishRain and of women with your concerns. As we know by being woke and inclusive they have excluded many many women

Well just like m and s I shall be taking bras and knickers into the men's. And talking in my outdoor voice. About the fit, the gusset, the silly material.

Because I guarantee that if men are discomforted, someone will definitely be listening.

Well, shit. I guess I am going back to sewing my own clothes then.

And, John Lewis, your haberdashery department has been going downhill for some time now. MacCulloch and Wallis has a much better selection and is only three minutes from your Oxford Street Shop.

E-mails to management to follow.

OhHolyJesus

Happy Rigby & Peller customer here. Took my daughter there for her second bra because she clearly needed advice that I couldn’t give.
There is no obligation to buy but they are brilliant when it comes to measuring you.
The older saleswoman in the Chelsea branch is very no-nonsense, straightforward and made us feel right at home.

Re policy: I don’t know because when we last went it was not such a full-blown issue. When we were in there last it was mainly mums and daughters in the changing rooms and you have to make an appointment. The changing rooms are never left unattended either and there are at least three sales assistants in the shop.

@justhadathought "discreetly handled"?
That's fine for you, you don't mind. But YOU don't get to speak for me on this, nor do you get to give up other women's hard fought rights, just because you don't mind changing with predatory men around.

I hate this stuff because it makes me feel like I need to talk about sexual abuse I've suffered in the past to justify why I don't want to share changing rooms etc with men. When really I don't think it should need any justification. We had a system that worked already for the majority of people. The minority who had a problem, if they even did which I doubt as this issue seems to have only come up over the last few years, well I'd be happy to support them in finding a solution that didn't infringe on the rights of others.

And I really want to support the high street. I do my best to not purchase online and to go to real brick stores and so on but they're making it so bloody hard.

Can you ask a company for tan equality impact assessment? It’s a thing in the public sector, not sure if it is any wider...

This whole movement has set us back so so far
Misogyny and sexism are rife. Any movement based on removing women's few and hard won rights is pushing at an open door.

Rigby & Peller are in Cambridge, Harrogate and Guildford too.

My daughter is quite small-chested and was despairing about finding a flattering bra. She then visited a small independent lingerie boutique and said it was a revelation, as they found her a selection and advised on the best.

What's their returns policy? I wonder whether we could organise a campaign of mucking them about. Using a credit card, go in and buy size n, n+2, n-2. Take them home, bring all them back the next weekend for a refund explaining that having tried them on at home, they're the wrong colour, being sure to add that it would have been much more convenient to try them on in the shop, but you're not comfortable with unisex changing rooms.

If it's about how comfortable people feel in changing rooms, why does one person's comfort potentially destroy a great many other people's comfort?

How does it work for one person's comfort to trump everyone else's?