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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Will this affect your vote?

249 replies

BovaryX · 11/11/2019 08:30

Several people have posted interesting threads about the response of political parties to questions about how/if they will safeguard sex segregated spaces. Some of the responses to that question explicitly demonstrate where politicians are aligned when it comes to protecting recalcitrant women against a concerted attempt to force ‘gender neutrality’ on the public. Some of those responses have been quite eye opening. My question is this. How influential will this be on your vote?

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JoyceJeffries · 11/11/2019 08:36

I’d lie to vote Lib Dem but I just can’t.

boatyardblues · 11/11/2019 08:37

Very, though I’m now in a quandary because, having spoken to my MP in person, I know that my MP understands the issues but is in a party that is enthusiastically cheerleading the self-ID reforms and TWAW, including on AWS. I don’t want my vote to be seen as agreement with the party’s policies, but we do have an excellent sitting constituency MP.

PurpleHoodie · 11/11/2019 08:38

Floating voter. Liberal Democrates had my vote this time round.

They've now lost it.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 11/11/2019 08:38

I was going to vote Lib Dem. However this has put me off:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3737757-Lib-Dems-actively-deterring-GC-women
Am waiting on a reply from my local candidate to see if they are able to convince me otherwise.
The question of who to vote for instead is a tricky one.

PurpleHoodie · 11/11/2019 08:38

"Democrats"

Cuntysnark · 11/11/2019 08:38

This election it’s the only thing I’ll be deciding my vote on. If I don’t, I’m unlikely to have a voice in the future on all the other issues that trouble me.

FWRLurker · 11/11/2019 08:42

In USA and I think it will be far easier to move the dial on this issue if Democrats are in power than in the current situation. At the moment the environment is too toxic. Anything differing from the dominant platform means you support Trumpf. The priority for me is therefore to unseat rapist in chief then work to remind the dems what a woman is.

BovaryX · 11/11/2019 08:45

Purple hoodie, Joyce, Endoplasmic, I am not surprised. It is indicative of how far and how influential this niche lobby group has become that politicians are in full capitulation mode. It is quite extraordinary

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Lucyslampost · 11/11/2019 08:51

I've never felt as unenthused by an election as I do this time. I can't vote Tory, and won't vote LibDem. The Greens have no hope where I live (plus there's the 'non-man' thing), so that leaves Labour or a spoiled ballot. I already left the Labour Party over this issue among others.

I don't know. I'll probably vote Labour because of the NHS, Sure Start, etc, and because they're best placed to unseat the current crap Tory, but I've never felt so compromised. It hasn't felt this toxic before.

Newuser123123 · 11/11/2019 08:52

Lib dem member feeling politically homeless

OhHolyJesus · 11/11/2019 08:52

Like Joyce I'd like to vote LibDem as I see this as a Brexit election not a General election but I simply can't put aside the MN thread about GC women not being welcome.

I intend to go to the hustings when the date is announced as ask them what a woman is. It's truly frightening as I still think these issues haven't hit mainstream public consciousness as Brexit dominates. It could very easily be that we have a coalition government with a combination of parties that 'believe' or at least support the idea that TWAW an this could become more fixed in society and even law. Everyone seems to act like it is already!

Fishcakey · 11/11/2019 08:52

I think that's the least of my worries where this election is concerned.

nauticant · 11/11/2019 08:55

I've voted Lib Dem for many years but cannot vote for them this time round. However, I met my MP (Conservative) a few weeks ago and she seems to have a reasonable grasp that sex is not the same as gender and that statistics for policy making should be based on sex and not on gender. So I'm going to vote for her.

BovaryX · 11/11/2019 08:55

Oh holy, I think that’s very interesting about the lack of awareness. The speed at which this has spread is quite incredible.

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BovaryX · 11/11/2019 08:57

Hey nauticant, that’s interesting. If they are the last party standing who make any sense on this, it is yet another indictment of how rapidly this insanity has spread.

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Tanith · 11/11/2019 08:58

I am ignoring party politics, seeing that nearly all of them are ignoring Women's Rights.

I am looking at the candidates themselves and what they personally stand for and how hard they work for us.

It's fairly easy here. I dislike virtually everything my current MP has done in office: he's screwed up practically everything he's touched. He has a decent, strong LibDem candidate against him.

Despite their national stance, I will be voting LibDem. I wouldn't normally: they are not my party of choice.
I think it's most important to get the good candidates into Parliament and not get bogged down with tribalism: we desperately need decent MPs, especially with so many good MPs leaving.

BovaryX · 11/11/2019 09:03

Tanith, I think tribalism is the idea that you could simply never vote for Party X. Irrespective of policies. Hence my question. How important is this issue and will it inspire anyone to switch from their usual tribe?

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Cascade220 · 11/11/2019 09:10

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Lumene · 11/11/2019 09:11

Yes. I would love to vote Lib Dem but won’t unless they allow and welcome freedom of thought and discussion.

teawamutu · 11/11/2019 09:13

My LD candidate is privately GC but won't confirm or deny what they'll do if the party manifesto is TWAW.

Urged me to think carefully about not voting as there are so many important issues eg Brexit. Am taking a deep breath before I reply...

BovaryX · 11/11/2019 09:13

Spartacus, you know what’s tragic about your picture? Who could have possibly imagined that almost a century after the suffragettes, women would be facing an existential threat by a niche lobby group fixated on redefining commonly understood words? It’s just incredible

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AnyOldPrion · 11/11/2019 09:15

Probably voting SNP to try to return the outgoing candidate, who seems decent.

He’s not easy to contact, unfortunately. My enquiries so far (via SNP friends) suggest he’s more or less onside with GC politics, though could be better informed. In which case, I shall (hopefully) vote him in and then contact him afterward.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 11/11/2019 09:18

I was planning to vote Tory (would leave if Corbyn became pm, also have a real dislike for the brexit party and Lib Dem’s). I’m not sure I’m that bothered about self ID at this point, but if the Labour leader was less of an arsehole then I would take it into consideration.

GameSetMatch · 11/11/2019 09:18

Nobody’s is going to agree with 100% of a party’s policies, you have to weigh up which party has the most you like and go for that. I’m voting labour I don’t agree with everything they propose but they have more of the polices I agree with.

Grafittiqueen · 11/11/2019 09:23

I would like to vote Lib Dem but I'm not sure I can given their recent replies to gender critical women.