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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Will this affect your vote?

249 replies

BovaryX · 11/11/2019 08:30

Several people have posted interesting threads about the response of political parties to questions about how/if they will safeguard sex segregated spaces. Some of the responses to that question explicitly demonstrate where politicians are aligned when it comes to protecting recalcitrant women against a concerted attempt to force ‘gender neutrality’ on the public. Some of those responses have been quite eye opening. My question is this. How influential will this be on your vote?

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nauticant · 11/11/2019 09:26

He has a decent, strong LibDem candidate against him.

Despite their national stance, I will be voting LibDem. I wouldn't normally: they are not my party of choice.
I think it's most important to get the good candidates into Parliament and not get bogged down with tribalism: we desperately need decent MPs, especially with so many good MPs leaving.

This is very much part of my thinking too. I've absolutely had it up to here with tribalism.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/11/2019 09:26

It will. I don’t believe their other lies/promises but I do when they say this.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 11/11/2019 09:29

All parties are basically shit on this so no, not really. My own MP is not on board with trans nonsense even if he isn't outspoken and will get my vote.

LangCleg · 11/11/2019 09:31

I won't vote nationally for any party that does not have a clear, written, policy of protecting women's sex-based rights.

I would consider voting locally (council elections) for candidates who are full-throated about local public services so long as they are not fully-paid up extremist genderist kool-aid drinkers.

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 11/11/2019 09:36

Generally I've voted lib-dem, but I just can't given that this issue is so huge that I am prepared to change my vote because of it.

I'm looking at the candidates, and will pick my least-worst option (although I'm in a very safe conservative seat so it'll not make a difference anyway)

ForeverFaff · 11/11/2019 09:41

Isn't the conservative women's officer a bit terfy?? Liz Truss has pretty much nailed her colours to the mast of biological reality and single sex spaced being exactly that, not a gender-stew.
I'm voting conservative, and I feel like I am actually doing something positive with my vote on this issue.

I know it is frowned upon to have single issues as your focus, but this is just too important to let slide.

MsMcWibble · 11/11/2019 09:44

I will be spoiling my ballot. If they pretend they don't know what a woman is, how can they be trusted?

Babdoc · 11/11/2019 09:53

I'm in an extreme marginal Scottish constituency (majority of 27).
As a unionist, I will be voting Tory as the only possible way to unseat the SNP.
Stopping another independence referendum is my priority at the moment - I don't want to end up living as an expat Englishwoman in a bankrupt banana republic.
Especially one run by the bloody SNP, who have drunk the Koolaid, eaten the woke cookies and thrown women under the bus.

bellinisurge · 11/11/2019 09:53

I'd vote LibDem because I despise Corbyn and couldn't vote Tory. But I won't because of this issue. It's not a niche issue for me it's my DD's future.

Blackopal · 11/11/2019 09:54

Yes it will.

I am with sparticus. I just cannot ignore this issue.

Look how quickly and easily the gender debate has affected our language and our rights. If Lib Dems or Labour are voted in self I'd will be law and nothing will stop it.

I understand that single issues votes are not commonly the best way to go. Then I look at my young daughters and am in disbelief that they will have less rights than I did growing up. This is the hill I will die on.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 11/11/2019 09:56

No idea who I will vote for.. have a strong woman labour MP who has kept quiet on single sex spaces etc. I would like to vote for her but....

Lib Dems has said they don't want my vote so I won't trouble them with it.

Conservative - I can't vote for Bo Jo

corlan · 11/11/2019 10:01

I was going to vote Lib Dem but don't feel I can now. No idea what to do.

Bimbleberries · 11/11/2019 10:06

I will have to let this slide for this election, and vote based on Brexit policies. That is just so irreversible, and with such long-term consequences, that to me it feels more important than anything right now. I don't think this next parliament will have time to do much else because it will all be Brexit focused, and I hope there will be another election then very soon after, especially if they manage to eg., get another referendum. At that point, other policies can come to the forefront. I don't think women's single-sex spaces and so forth is completely irreversible, whatever might be happening now, because I think that people will wake up, and I don't think it will be too late then, because either the parties ready to implement such changes will realise that it isn't what people want, or there will be protests and campaigns afterwards for more women's spaces/rights again - obviously not ideal to have to fight all over again for the same right, but to me, at least possible - whereas Brexit means irreversible negative changes.

Justhadathought · 11/11/2019 10:06

I can no longer just say " I'm going to vote for the least worst candidate".

The time for that has passed. the difference now, certainly on the issue of transgender ideology', is that even prominent people within political parties are afraid to speak out. There is an effective collusion and a wall of silence. How on earth do you think ordinary members and voters are going to change that? they won't!

The silence has to be broken. The debate needs to be public. Because if that does not happen Self ID will be slipped in under the radar - out of neglect to stop it.

Of course there are other important issues; and most of us take the vote very seriously and want to vote....but I guess we each have to decide what is most important to us; what we each consider to be a first order issue.

Do we really want to vote for candidates who don't stand up for what they believe in; or who don't voice their, or their constituent's, concerns out of a climate of extreme political correctness?

I don't and can't...so will be spoiling my paper - and explaining to all who will listen, why i'm not able to vote for them.

CarolCutrere · 11/11/2019 10:08

No. Doesn't come into. I want a Boris landslide to make Labour see sense and ditch the current extreme policies.

Will be voting Lib Dem as they are more likely to keep SNP out..

Justhadathought · 11/11/2019 10:08

That is just so irreversible, and with such long-term consequences

Maybe, maybe not....but not quite so long term and fundamental as changing the very definition of women; eroding the concept of a woman's integrity; and encouraging a culture in which children grow up thinking they can be in the wrong body.

weebarra · 11/11/2019 10:11

SNP. My constituency is currently labour, with a tiny majority. At least the SNP have some vocal GC people.

HavelockVetinari · 11/11/2019 10:11

It's a real dilemma for me - I'm a lifelong Labour voter, but I can't vote for them this time because of their regressive stance on gender and women's rights Sad

Obviously that rules out the Greens and Lib Dems too. But voting Tory, especially for Boris, isn't something I can do either. Maybe I'll vote for an independent or, if none available, spoil my ballot paper.

Justhadathought · 11/11/2019 10:14

I want a Boris landslide to make Labour see sense and ditch the current extreme policies

Which particular policies do you think are extreme? Most of them are fairly standard socialist policies. Re-nationalising railways; taxing in order to spend on public services etc

I agree, however, that all of our parties have now become quite extreme and polarised in their culture. that includes the Tories too -with most of the prominent moderates having left.

I live in a safe Labour seat - and would love to be able to vote Labour myself - but cannot - due to the trans issue and the lack of openness & freedom of speech around it; but also due to bullying behaviour in local constituency parties. Also lots of naive young Momentum candidates who simply don't have a grasp of most issues.

bellinisurge · 11/11/2019 10:16

There is no "least worst".

stillathing · 11/11/2019 10:18

I'm a socialist. I'd like to vote Labour. I've gone off Corbyn because he's not hearing accusations of sexism and antisemitism but I'm still interested in a lot of their current policies. I had a wobble where I thought I would still vote for them..... But the treatment of WPUK at Brighton restored sense to my brain. I waited for the apology, for the public condemnation of the violent intimidation of women holding a meeting about women's rights. Still waiting.

Labour's pro women policies are meaningless if women aren't allowed to define their class.

I also refuse to vote for a party which listens to anti science dogma just because the lobbyists are powerful. Doesn't bode well for the radical climate policies we need in the future does it?

Vote will be spoilt by 2 or 3 in this household.

Justhadathought · 11/11/2019 10:19

Maybe I'll vote for an independent or, if none available, spoil my ballot paper

If I had a local Labour,(or even Lib-Dem) candidate who I respected and who i knew would speak out on issues which concern me - and not always toe the party line ( certainly on trans issues), I'd vote for them. But I don't!

I live in Louise Ellman's constituency, and do feel she was treated disgracefully by some in her constituency party - so for that reason also, I can't vote for the new candidate.

Strange and troubling times we are in.

Defenestratethecat · 11/11/2019 10:29

Babcock, I hear you. Our constituency is not so marginal. It would be an icy day in hell before I’d vote for the SNP, both for their stance on another independence referendum and for their wokiness over gender. Weebarra, Joan McAlpine and Joanna Cherry are amazing, but the SNP as a whole are tying themselves in knots to appear ‘right on’ with regard to gender issues, and the Stepford, no dissent responses make me very cross.

I used to vote Lib Dem. we had a very good Lib Dem MP for years. I can’t vote for them over their GC stance even though I want to stop Brexit.

DH says he will hold his nose and vote Tory, purely on the indyref issue.

I don’t have a clue who I’m going to vote for. We need an independent to stand on an anti Brexit, protecting sex based rights/spaces, anti indyref platform. I’d vote for them.......

Defenestratethecat · 11/11/2019 10:30

Babdoc, sorry - auto correct has now changed your name 3 times......

GrandmaMazur · 11/11/2019 10:32

I would normally vote Lib Dem but I can't while they don't cater for women. Ditto Labour. And I just can't vote Tory. So I might have to spoil my ballot paper. It really pains me to do so but I don't see what other option there is.

I don't understand how it has come to the point where women are not represented by any party.