New research reveals facial recognition softwear misgenders transgender and nb people

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Well colour me surprised! www.forbes.com/sites/jessedamiani/2019/10/29/new-research-reveals-facial-recognition-software-misclassifies-transgender-non-binary-people/

www.forbes.com/sites/jessedamiani/2019/10/29/new-research-reveals-facial-recognition-software-misclassifies-transgender-non-binary-people/

Hahahaha

Oops!

I mean oh dear. Will the police arrest themselves for misgendering now?

Yes, facial recognition software's ability to correctly sex people is in at number 42 on the 'everything is transphobic' list after Vice reported on the heinous intrusion of reality into fantasyland.

wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

So facial recognition technology is quite good at correctly sexing people but not so good at predicting how they feel about their identity. Well I never.

Are we sure that the article isn't a spoof?

“When you walk down the street you might look at someone and presume that you know what their gender is, but that is a really quaint idea from the ‘90s and it is not what the world is like anymore,” Brubaker said. “As our vision and our cultural understanding of what gender is has evolved, the algorithms driving our technological future have not. That’s deeply problematic.”

Uh - facial recognition software correctly classifies by sex?

But in any case, facial recognition is mainly needed for identifying individuals, regardless of their sex let alone gender. It's really important that 'gender' markers don't confuse the systems. Leaving aside deliberate deception (which is an obvious problem to guard against), what should it do with a 'gender fluid' person? Refuse Phillipa Bunce if the passport photo is of Phillip Bunce?

but that is a really quaint idea from the ‘90s and it is not what the world is like anymore,

LOL. Can they hear themselves. Utterly deluded

quaint idea from the ‘90s I wish we could go back to the quaint 90's

Anyway, this piece is massively transphobic, missing the point that gender isn't about looks, it's about how someone feels isn't it?

"these systems have an extremely limited view of what gender looks like.”

Quaint idea from the 90s?

I'm no that old but I do remember the 80s and we could correctly sex people by looking at them back then too, despite the fashions of the time being far less sexist stereotypical than today.

I'm willing to bet good money that humans have been correctly sexing one another throughout our history. I mean, other mammals manage to figure out which of them is male and which female and they don't even wear clothes and make up. Surely humans can't be that much more stupid than the average warthog?

That picture in the Wings over Scotland link of the group with their axes and hammers and baseball bats. What a shit shower.

You and me both, Jane. People didn't "guess people's gender". They, as people still do now, perceived their sex. No one gave a flying fuck about "gender" in the sense the writer means.

Surely humans can't be that much more stupid than the average warthog?

Not all of them anyway

Very relieved to hear that the technology does not yet exist to read people’s minds

Technology is a terf.

Yes Ereshkigal everything is so problematic these days!

More troublingly, those who identified as agender, genderqueer or non-binaryy*, were misclassified 100 percent of the time because these gender identities have not been built into the algorithms.

The training data for the AIs presumably doesn't have these nebulous categories marked. And if they did - and they were present in statistically significant numbers - then we'd probably just find lots of women and some men being miscategorised.

The piece doesn't say what the hit rate for transwomen was - I'd guess fairly high because an AI may well be able to detect sex Male + external 'feminine' markers such as makeup, and categorise them as transwomen.
I'd be curious to know if the hits and misses for transmen were broadly beard or no beard...

This is a satire, surely?! Or maybe not, but shows how crazy this is. Of course gender cannot be recognised because it is a FEELING! Do the algorithms show favourite colour, preference for Bach or Mozart, etc? Gender identity is no different. It is internal in some, entirely absent in others. How on earth could it be detected?

Errol Excellent point re the passport photo.

Something tells me on travelling days he always knows who he will be. (I've chosen his preferred pronouns before anybody points the Donald Sutherland finger).

Some of these people are legitimately batshit crazy.

Why are they being allowed to influence policy for all?

Tangentially related thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3732308-Future-of-Legal-Gender-academic-talk

The piece doesn't say what the hit rate for transwomen was - I'd guess fairly high because an AI may well be able to detect sex Male

I would say males who identify as trans were deliberately left out of the piece, because biology is a terf and the high identification rates are probably op hurtful.

More troublingly, those who identified as <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-sexuality-and-romance/201807/guide-genderqueer-non-binary-and-genderfluid-identity" target="_blank">agender, genderqueer or non-binaryy^y, were misclassified 100 percent of the time because these gender identities have not been built into the algorithms.

How would one do that? Look for the duper's delight sneery smile so many of them do?

Something tells me on travelling days he always knows who he will be.

I nearly wrote something like that in my post.

Facial recognition software which doesn't ignore external gender signifiers would, I think, be problematic for people during real transition.

Well, the software is clearly exceptionally clever!
Let’s face it, it’s doing what it is supposed to. It is identifying people correctly.