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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's official, Marks and Spencer have fallen

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MrsSnippyPants · 31/10/2019 13:30

I know we have 'known' this for a while, but this is now their official response. How many 'inappropriate' incidents will be necessary before they see sense?

#BoycottM&S

It's official, Marks and Spencer have fallen
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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/10/2019 19:01

You forgot Lush

TheChampagneGalop · 31/10/2019 19:07

I actually really like M&S's food. I hope they come to their senses so I can buy delicious snacks from them in the future too.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/10/2019 19:10

And the one near my office had just started to sell hot food at lunchtime. Oh well.

Jon6b · 31/10/2019 19:12

ReallyShock, in many places throughout the world, mixed changing rooms are the norm, including Gap. There are so many problems in the world, can't you focus on something important Hmm

ScrimshawTheSecond · 31/10/2019 19:14

Well, Jon. That's my first 'whataboutery' for tonights bingo card. Thanks!

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 31/10/2019 19:16

There are so many problems in the world, can't you focus on something important

You don't think women having the right to set their own boundaries is important?

Michelleoftheresistance · 31/10/2019 19:17

It's amazing how many people line up to dictate to women what they may and may not find important and that they really ought to be more useful when women talk about what bothers them and how they feel.

Mixed changing rooms are not the norm in the UK.

Women have not clamoured to have men in their changing rooms or any of their other spaces. Women didn't ask for this.

Male born people and their supporters are seeking to compel women to co operate with their single sex spaces being forcibly changed, to benefit male born people. They do not want to hear how women feel about this. And they're very critical of women who want to voice negative opinions on this.

How is this something that is ok? Unless you believe that male people are way more important than female people, and female people's primary role in life is to be used by male people?

MollyButton · 31/10/2019 19:17

Well I went shopping for a Suit with my DS at two out of town M and S recently.
1 - Menswear was upstairs along with Lingerie. They had placed Lingerie so that you had to walk through it to get to Menswear - right along the top of the escalators. DS said if I hadn't been there he'd have just gone straight down. Morale : they have no idea about their clientele.
2 - Menswear okay, and plenty of Suits. Fitting room for suits was presided over by a Transwoman. It was the Mens, but I'm not sure my DS would have asked her for advice on sizing. Morale: they really don't care about younger men anymore.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/10/2019 19:18

I can focus on many issues. And the roll back of woman’s rights and safe spaces is quite a serious one.

Also of concern is the lack of decent cheese in my local health food shop lunch menus (damn those vegans).

Jon6b · 31/10/2019 19:18

It isn't about women's boundaries, it's about bigotry.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 31/10/2019 19:20

in many places throughout the world, mixed changing rooms are the norm, including Gap.

But these aren't 'mixed changing rooms' are they? They are labelled as 'female changing rooms' which would mean that a female using them would think that she was only sharing with other females.

There are so many problems in the world, can't you focus on something important

Yeah women, focus on something important. Like how important it is that males are able to access whichever female spaces they feel like that day.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 31/10/2019 19:20

Bigotry that women can't refuse males in their spaces, Jon? Okay. I am starting to understand what 'bigotry' means in terms of this argument.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 31/10/2019 19:21

It isn't about women's boundaries, it's about bigotry.

Yes, dictating to women what we are and aren't allowed to find important, as though we're incapable of deciding for ourselves, is pretty bigoted and misogynistic.

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 31/10/2019 19:21

It isn't about women's boundaries, it's about bigotry.

Not wanting to share female changing rooms with males is not bigotry. Let's get that straight now.

Unless you think that all changing rooms, toilets, prisons, refuges etc should just be mixed sex?

Michelleoftheresistance · 31/10/2019 19:21

Bigotry? Intolerance for those with different opinions, you mean? I think you're modelling that rather better than posters here.

Women do not want to be used by male born people. End of.

Furiosa · 31/10/2019 19:22

ScrimshawTheSecond

I think it means when a woman say ''No''.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 31/10/2019 19:23

Why should women be the ones trying things on at home? If someone doesn’t feel comfortable trying on things in the changing rooms designated to their sex why aren’t you suggesting they should try on at home? @BiggerBoat1 @Starryskiesinthesky

Not necessarily concerned about it myself but it always seems to be the women that are told to put up or leave with inappropriate Male behaviour.

Daddystilllost · 31/10/2019 19:25

I don't see the problem? If the cubicles are lockable, what's the issue? They're not going to jump over the cubicle walls are they?!

Genuinely not being goady I just don't get what is wrong with their response??

Quetiapina · 31/10/2019 19:26

Littlbrowndog is right, we are all supposed to stay home now. No single sex toilets = Urinary Leash for women wanting privacy for our own reasons and religious and ethnic reasons. No using of changing rooms, same. Find it hard to meet in same sex female groups, losing our language. Common sense is now bigoted. What is going on. I mean really!

Daddystilllost · 31/10/2019 19:28

You not bothered about LGBT women then? Or is it only man who can be pervs

Well said!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

ScrimshawTheSecond · 31/10/2019 19:30

I think it means when a woman say ''No''.

I think you're right. Lots of work going on to remove womens' right and ability to say no to anything, right now, though. Sure we'll have them all shamed, re-educated and compliant shortly.

Have we all learned the chants yet?

Furiosa · 31/10/2019 19:30

Daddy

Because they are men so they can get changed behind the LOCKABLE DOOR IN THE MENS ROOM.

How many times....

Daddystilllost · 31/10/2019 19:32

@PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind How in Gods name is " You not bothered about LGBT women then? Or is it only man who can be pervs" homophobic?! Simply mentioning the LGBTQ community in a sentence is not Homophobic you know?! Pervs exist in EVERY community/walk of life.

It is NOT 98% of pervs who are men at all.

That's incredibly sexist you know?!

Michelleoftheresistance · 31/10/2019 19:35

According to Janice Turner in the Times, it's crime figures that tell the most powerful story.
In her column this week she presented a series of statistics that make for sombre reading: men are responsible for 85% of all indictable crimes in England and Wales, 88% of crimes against the person, 90% of murders, and 98% of sexual offences (all for the year to June 2012).
Are men responsible for the majority of crime?
According to data from the Ministry of Justice, men were indeed responsible for 86% of 'indictable offences' in the year to September 2012. (This figure is marginally more up-to-date than the one quoted in the Times).

The truth isn't sexist. Women are not mean for speaking it.

SchadenfiendeUnmortified · 31/10/2019 19:37

Male born people and their supporters are seeking to compel women to co operate with their single sex spaces being forcibly changed, to benefit male born people. They do not want to hear how women feel about this. And they're very critical of women who want to voice negative opinions on this

Absolutely!

You never see any pressure on men to change the way they behave towards TWs, so that they are less threatening, do you? No - because this has to do with taking power away from women.

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