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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport

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LemonGingerCakes · 23/10/2019 22:23

I've never started a thread like this before, but this is bothering me.

No comments. Just letting the pictures speak.

Spot the transwoman.

How is this fair?

A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
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Backinthecloset123 · 24/10/2019 19:47

To those criticising us uploading these photos, you can fuck off and then fuck off some more.

WE are disrespectful?????? Nope, the disrespectful ones are the male bodied athletes in women's teams.

Don't you dare try to say I'm not being 'kind'.

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2019 19:48

Eh who are you talking to angry pp

Either they are male or female. If they are male then yes it is unfair.

JenniferM1989 · 24/10/2019 20:00

It's a catch 22 situation because transgender people tend to take on hormone treatment. If a transgender woman takes on hormone treatment, she is then given a slight disadvantage competing with men and at risk of injury. If a transgender man takes on hormone treatment, he is then at an advantage competing against women and the women he is competing against are at risk of injury.

So it's a risk ratio thing. Do you allow that one or two transgender people to be at risk or the rest of the team and competitors? If it was to be a risk ratio thing then both transgender men and women would have to play for male teams and against male competitors as they would be at risk but their competitors and other team mates would not be.

In individual sports, there's already advantages. Black people are faster than white, Asian and Indian people. White people are faster swimmers than black, Indian and Asian people. The advantages are very slight however so we don't note them but we are aware that black people tend to win running and sprinting events and white people tend to win swimming events. We accept this because no one can determine their race and if their natural state causes them an advantage then so be it. Someone can't decide to be black so they win a sprinting event for example.

However, the way they are handling sport at the moment, people can become transgender to gain an advantage and with the testing being very loose, they don't actually even have to be religious with hormone treatment and could easily live as their born sex between events and only loosely take the hormones to be able to get in and compete and have that advantage but it's only trans women that stand to gain an advantage at the moment really, no shock there.

It's really a case of who shouts the loudest gets heard. It isn't about sport or ability, it's about not pissing people off. If a trans woman is rejected from a womans team, the papers would be all over it and there would be an outcry. If a woman speaks up and says she is upset and in fear because she's got a trans woman to compete against on Saturday and she's worried she'll be injured, she'll be told to shut up and not be a trans phobe basically and how they're on hormone treatment and that has made them become 'just like a woman'.

Disabled people have been more than happy to have their own sporting events for a long time and they have no control over their disability and don't see it as segregation. What would be so wrong with trans people having their own sporting events? It eliminates risk totally and also the ability to fake your way into a team or event to gain advantage. I certainly wouldn't sit and watch a woman wrestle against a trans woman and I can imagine that woman is quite scared or at the very least, finding it all very unfair. I will sound out of line here but the general public that stick with their born sex and lead their lives just keep needing to suffer for these minorities to be happy. When will the line be drawn? When will it happen that a minority will finally be allowed to be upset just one time and not get everything their way for once to please the average Joe that make up 95% of the population!

Otterseatpuffinsdontthey · 24/10/2019 20:05

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JudasIsMyHomeboy · 24/10/2019 21:07

Most of you clearly don't know what transgender means, what the difference between sex and gender is, or even how hormone therapy affects someone's body. Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid. Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.

InTheShadowOfTheMushroomCloud · 24/10/2019 21:17

Thanks for educating us Judas..

Right where were we...?

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 24/10/2019 21:17

Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.

Arrogance, wokeness and disablism all in one post. Well done. You’re alright I’ll continue centring women and supporting them against cheating male bodied trans people.

Coldwatershock · 24/10/2019 21:20

I think the stark truth of these pictures and their likely helpful impact on the general public's awareness of this growing scandal has touched a raw nerve. I'm enjoying watching the spluttering outrage...

Apollo440 · 24/10/2019 21:29

JudasIsMyHomeboy

Let me guess. You believe that humans can change sex. You haven't got one peer reviewed article that supports transwomen competing against women.

BertyFlanter · 24/10/2019 21:39

I found this website on twitter. It shows with great graphics the facts and stats.

Apologies if it has already been posted.

boysvswomen.com/

ApplesinmyPocket · 24/10/2019 21:41

"The fact that they still look so male demonstrates how far from female "

That's why these pictures need to be posted. Because many of those new to this debate hear the word 'transwoman' and they think 'well what's the problem letting them into women's loos/sports/showers', picturing a slight, effeminate, passing TW like Hayley Cropper in Corrie - but Hayley was played by a WOMAN of course, which now I think must have been a deliberate intention to mislead - not malicious probably, as TRAs were not so powerful at the time, but a realisation that if the viewers were going to believe Hayley had "changed sex" then their best chance was to put a woman in the role. For obvious reasons.

FannyCann · 24/10/2019 21:43

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Coldwatershock · 24/10/2019 21:55

We are honoured Grin

InTheShadowOfTheMushroomCloud · 24/10/2019 22:54

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Purplewhitegreenlight · 24/10/2019 22:54

I heard about the fractured skull one in boxing. If nothing else it’s just plain dangerous.

andyoldlabour · 25/10/2019 07:48

"So how come Castor Semenya was banned from competing in athletics, and she is not a trans woman. Do different sports have different rules?"

Because the IOC/IAAF/UCI and lots of other sporting organisations, have not really thought about the implications of including male bodied people in women's sports - or they don't really care.
It really is that depressingly simple.

andyoldlabour · 25/10/2019 07:52

"Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot."

We are already up to "speed" on the subject thanks, you may wish to proof read your posts next time.
The fact that athletes such as McKinnon, Hubbard, Weatherly and the like are winning, totally debunks the fact that they have lost all their strength - they are still male bodied.
McKinnon is faster this year than last year, so that invalidates all the points which you have tried - unsuccessfully - to make.

OneTerrificMouse · 25/10/2019 08:00

Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid.

There is that 'valid' word again. Is it half term?

andyoldlabour · 25/10/2019 08:02

ApplesinmyPocket

I don't watch soaps and had never heard of Hayley Cropper, but seriously you couldn't make it up - introduce a transwoman into the soap and have a female actor play them, in order to do what exactly, show the general public how "female" a transwoman is?

"full legal status in their acquired sex." - Doesn't even know the difference between sex and gender.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayley_Cropper

NonnyMouse1337 · 25/10/2019 08:12

They are all cheaters. The ethics of winning a game is based on fairness.
That sporting organisations are complicit in this and don't care about women's opportunities and safety is disgusting.

FriedasCarLoad · 25/10/2019 08:29

Most of you clearly don't know what transgender means, what the difference between sex and gender is, or even how hormone therapy affects someone's body. Your opinions, when you don't understand these terms, are uneducated and frankly they are not valid. Once you are educated enough in the subject, you can speed about it, otherwise you look like a complete idiot

Translation service:

You don’t know
=you disagree with me

Opinions are uneducated
=You must submit to brainwashing

Opinions... not valid
=no one has the right to disagree with the new-think

You look like a complete idiot
=you’re just like the boy who shouted that the emperor wasn’t wearing any clothes

HTH

OneTerrificMouse · 25/10/2019 09:28

Yeah bigots, this is not a 50 odd year old man

Playing in a GIRLS COLLEGE team.

No, this is a teenage transwoman living her true self.

How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

A picture speaks a thousand words. Transwomen in women’s sport
nolongersurprised · 25/10/2019 10:07

So how come Castor Semenya was banned from competing in athletics, and she is not a trans woman. Do different sports have different rules?

Caster wasn’t banned. Caster was refusing to reduce their male levels of testosterone (produced by internal testes, because Caster is biologically male) wanted to “run free”.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/10/2019 10:35

Caster Semenya has made themselves ineligible for some events by refusing to comply with current IAAF rules. Other DSD athletes have moved to other distances such as 400m or 5k.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/10/2019 10:40

And false analogies:

Most champion sprinters are of West African origin, but once in a while there is an Allan Wells, a Pietro Minnea or a Kathy Smallwood-Cook.

Most champion distance runners are from the Great Rift in East Africa, but there are occasional exceptions such as Paula Radcliffe.

Men are faster than women. No fastest woman has ever been competitive with the fastest men. Not one. Not ever. Never.