Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

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If anyone watches GMB, you will see that Piers Morgan is trying to advocate for women by challenging trans issues - in sport and awards ceremonies etc.

There is a petition to have him fired for being 'transphobic' yet he is quite courageous is saying he is not in agreement about the rights of transitioners to go into sport, to cancel the female category at awards ceremonies.

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general, I for one, appreciate his courage to continue to talk about these issues. Especially on such a big platform.

RE his recent interviews, maybe he's hit peak trans in the way so many others have. It really is one of those things where once you admit that maybe there are some issues you just keep seeing more and more of them.

I think he’s a populist. He says right wing things if he thinks they’re going to land well, ditto left wing things. His overall position is probably something like ‘outraged centrist’.

Would’ve liked to see BB get really grilled on what is an acceptable gender to identify as. If a two spirit penguin is off the table, what about spacegender, angeligender or one of the various ones that relate to fictional characters or otherkin types? Where do you draw the line? Or is BB just a gatekeeping exclusionary penguinphobe?

Generally I think PM has done things in the past indicative of a lack of ethics and journalistic integrity. That has no bearing on whether he’s allowed to have an opinion and voice it. It’s not 1984.

He always give it large on TV and Twitter on issues he thinks are controversial, he prides himself on being contrary.
I don't believe women's issues are close to his heart at all.
His personal life gives a more true representation of what he's really like: Donald Trump's bff.

What's statistically rare? A male rapist?

Er no. A man pretending to be a woman who rapes and sexually assaults women and is put in a female prison with women.

Er no. A man pretending to be a woman who rapes and sexually assaults women and is put in a female prison with women.

Er, how do you stop every single rapist saying they are trans and being put in a female prison?

Would’ve liked to see BB get really grilled on what is an acceptable gender to identify as. If a two spirit penguin is off the table, what about spacegender, angeligender or one of the various ones that relate to fictional characters or otherkin types?

Same here. And I can't imagine why Piers didn't do it. Unless that was a condition of the chap going on - refusal to discuss individual genders.

Because you could take down the entire issue in about three seconds by doing just that.

And I can't imagine why Piers didn't do it.

Possibly because he's not that good an interviewer. He's much more interesting in telling everyone what he thinks rather than asking the killer question. I'd love to see Benjamin interviewed by Eddie Mair, who would make mincemeat of him.

Er no. A man pretending to be a woman who rapes and sexually assaults women and is put in a female prison with women.

Clearly a concern to the Prison Service, however belatedly.

In March this year, it announced that a special separate wing for transgender prisoners will be opened at HMP Downview. Initially it will hold only three prisoners with GRCs but those three will not be allowed to come into contact with women prisoners. Precisely because they are such a danger to women.

As you know, the majority, if not all, male rapists who say they are women are not in a female prison.

Or not not in a female wing of a prison.

As you know, the majority, if not all, male rapists who say they are women are not in a female prison.

I didn't know that. Where do you get that from?

Despite initial assurances by the MOJ that “three transgender prisoners with gender recognition certificates would initially be housed in the new wing and “would not have access to other offenders at the prison” we have now discovered this to be untrue.

The MOJ has since confirmed that high risk transgender prisoners are allowed to mix with female inmates during communal activities such as fitness sessions, library and chapel visits, while being supervised by a prison officer.

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I love when people say "as you know" and follow it up with something that no, in fact, people do not know. I mean, I'd be delighted if it was true but some proof would be nice.

The MOJ has since confirmed that high risk transgender prisoners are allowed to mix with female inmates during communal activities such as fitness sessions, library and chapel visits, while being supervised by a prison officer.

Ugh, can you imagine? A lick of the lips, some finger signs, a menacing stare raking her from top to bottom, accompanied by a spot of self crotch grabbing.

It's a fucking scandal. Absolutely horrific.

"Allowed" may be the applicable word for the high risk trans prisoners but I think "forced" would be more appropriate for the female ones. That's the thing about prison, you can't just opt out of things.

I'm mean genuinely I have to pinch myself sometimes. I cannot believe that in 2019, we are sending male sex offenders to a female prison, because they say some magic words.

Yes it’s a fucking scandal. Horrific. And no, I don’t really give a fuck about the ‘vast majority’ and ‘statistical likelihood’. There shouldn’t be even ONE violent, rapist male in any female prison. Ever.

Further, there shouldn’t be any man in any female prison. Ever.

It really is a bit "there's only one shark in the swimming pool so no worries".

As you know, the majority, if not all, male rapists who say they are women are not in a female prison.

As you know, about half of males who say they are women and are in women's prisons are sex offenders or Category A most seriously violent.

As you know, some of the males who say they are women and are in women's prisons are in women's prisons with mother and baby units.

As you know, about half of the male sex offenders treated with chemical castration - including those convicted for possession of child rape material - have gone on to transition and are eligible to apply to be moved to a women's prison, including those with mother and baby units.

How about we as a society just decide not to play Rapist Roulette with women's prisons?

The MOJ has since confirmed that high risk transgender prisoners are allowed to mix with female inmates during communal activities such as fitness sessions, library and chapel visits, while being supervised by a prison officer.

Dear God, I didn't know that. I just paraphrased the BBC News report.

As ProdigalKittens points out, the women prisoners in such situations don't have any say. Unless they opt out of gym sessions, library visits and chapel services, of course, and stay in their cells.

I wonder how many self-exclude. I'd be highly surprised if none did.

I said as you know because I thought it had been discussed here before.

The k white situation is rare where a trans prisoner has assaulted other prisoners. If the male trans offenders are mixing with women in the new wing I didn’t know that.

Probably should have checked before confidently asserting that everyone knows the thing that's not true, eh?

Possibly because he's not that good an interviewer.

I find a lot of the interviewers on these kinds of shows are very similar. Often there is some obvious question that I'm just trying to send them by ESP, it seems so clearly the right thing to ask, but they just don't.

FWIW, I think what the Ben guy was dancing around was that he thought Pier's "identification" as a two-spirit penguin was dishonest or disingenuous, so not really an example of someone's real self-identity. And as far as it goes that's true. But if they had drilled down into where the different gender identities are, or come from, or how we know they are honest, that would have been pretty revealing I think.

Piers maybe got caught up in trying to make clear what his point was about there being a logical contradiction so didn't see the opening?

The MOJ are not basing their policy on crime.

The new policy shifted the emphasis away from legal gender and instead decisions about location are now based on the strength of evidence of living in the gender the prisoner identifies with.

So exactly how profound a cross dressing sexual fetish a man might have, will determine whether or not he is moved into a female prison.

Or the depth of his gender dysphoria. So quite how motivated he is by gender stereotypes.

None of this is based on crime, or whether he poses a threat. It's all about how much he really, really wants it.

Yeah, no I won't. He's expressing this opinion because it fits in with his persona, not because he gives two fucks about women.

You only need to read the shite he writes about Meghan Markle to see he's a raging misogynist.