Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

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If anyone watches GMB, you will see that Piers Morgan is trying to advocate for women by challenging trans issues - in sport and awards ceremonies etc.

There is a petition to have him fired for being 'transphobic' yet he is quite courageous is saying he is not in agreement about the rights of transitioners to go into sport, to cancel the female category at awards ceremonies.

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general, I for one, appreciate his courage to continue to talk about these issues. Especially on such a big platform.

Jolyon Maughm seems to fit the bill

There is something quite comedic about someone like Maugham telling a trans woman that she's wrong about trans issues.

Yes. But don’t you also think most people have genuine sympathy for transsexuals and won’t throw them under the bus?
I agree. But I also think most people assume that they have undergone a full surgical transition or are in the process of doing so. I suspect there would be less sympathy for those with no intention to.

But don’t you also think most people have genuine sympathy for transsexuals and won’t throw them under the bus?

Possibly. But most people also don't know that 95% of trans XYs are fully intact males.

If you did a women's spaces poll and replace the word "transwoman" with "male cross dresser" - what results do you think you would get?

I want to also bring to your attention the prevalent deaths of many black transgender women in the US

How do those stats compare to black women? Or to other males?

The problem I have is that when people like PM JHB KH etc get involved in this issue, it DOES stir up a lot of transphobia and hate towards trans people. So it becomes very difficult to separate the discussion about defending women's rights and giving children adequate support and help, from the 'ugh man-in-a-dress' 'there are only two genders DUH' comments.
It stirs up a hornets nest which is painful for a lot of people and could well embolden many male followers of PM to be just that little bit more sexist, misogynistic and yes, transphobic.
But PM's stance on gun control is a great one for a ready response to 'if you share the views of someone from the far right perhaps it's time yiu change your views' inane challenges.

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'there are only two genders DUH'

Now do you see what you did, there?

No?

(Just to clarify, I think gender is an identity, a social construct and separate from biological sex, so it certainly can be a spectrum and people can interpret their own or other's identity how they like, so people saying that there are only two genders DUH are getting mixed up with sex and are trying to impose their views on other people. And are probably using it as a front for taking the piss.)

How do those stats compare to black women? Or to other males?

Black XY trans people in the US are murdered at a lower rate the men generally, and a much lower rate than black men in particular.

I am not sure how the murder rate for black XY trans people in the US compares to women but I'm pretty sure the murder rate for all XY trans people in the US is lower than for women in the US.

XY trans people are the safest of all male demographics in the US when it comes to the statistical chance of being murdered regardless of skin colour.

(I am aware regulars know all this but choose to reiterate for lurkers who may have been taken in by the lies and hyperbole of trans privilege activists)

Yes quite. But most of the ‘acceptable’ ones in public eye seem to have eg India, Maloney etc. Even Paris and MB I bet most women expect them to be using female spaces and we don’t know their surgery status exactly.

People probably assume it’s statistically very rare. Which it is.

What's statistically rare? A male rapist?

I do applaud his stance on this. This 'oh, no-one who doesn't fit in with a particular political/social/demographic viewpoint is worthy of agreeing with and expressing our view' is dangerously shortsighted. You may not like him but he does have a huge mainstream audience and it is precisely those people who need to understand what has been going on - not other members of the echo chamber.

Reading Piers' hate mail on Twitter. Sigh. @SimonJT (hi from that 'other' thread) - never mind his usual mostly awful journalism actually he is sticking up for women here. Speaking as a Mum whose daughter is training for a sports team at semi-pro level and that club now consisting of a trans women (who plays in the men's team too btw, and poorly, yet her results in the women's game outstanding). Women have worked so bloody hard to turn their sports around and now are losing their places to men who did not transition before puberty. The women playing against her when she chooses to play as a woman are scared of her. I will not let my DD play sport in a team with trans women. And nor would she want to.

Btw that's not bigotry. It's looking at the differences in this particular game (smaller ball, shorter boundaries, average bowling speed (yes I've given it away) 30km less for the women's game). The former 2 in place for a physical reason and this game is dangerous enough with natal females playing.

He's awful. I'd guess there are plenty of nasty right-wing bigots who'd be delighted to have a go at all sorts of "unnatural practices". Pretty obviously you should be having nothing to do with them either.

Piers Morgan is left leaning. Not radical left, but left.

Nonsense.

People are aware of the Karen white issue because it was all over the tabloids..

People probably assume it’s statistically very rare. Which it is.

Are you deliberately missing the point? There is no mechanism that excludes sex offending transwomen from female prisons. The offence isn't an excluding criteria.

The mechanism needs abandoning. Transwomen should be excluded from a female prison on the basis of their sex not being female.

Over 60% of female inmates have suffered domestic abuse. The women are the focus here. Wondering what is in the head of the man in the next cell is utterly irrelevant to them.

The problem I have is that when people like PM JHB KH etc get involved in this issue, it DOES stir up a lot of transphobia and hate towards trans people.

This was predicted over and over. The widening of the trans umbrella to include middle aged cross dressers and the homophobic insanity of ignoring sex made it inevitable. It was Stonewall who threw gay men, lesbians and transsexuals under the bus not journalists or radio broadcasters.

I think it interesting that women are encouraged to praise men every time one of them takes a position against stripping us of all our rights no matter how cheerfully they would strip us of most of them.

He recently had an interview with Douglas Murray, author of the Madness of Crowds.
The book is very interesting and flags up some of the idiocies of Identity Politics. The youtube video of the interview doesn't show much being said by Murray as the other interviewee who is black and female dominates the conversation but the book is spot on imv and could change minds, or if not change minds at least give on opportunity for interviewers to air these things as they are covered in the book.

one of many interviews on youtube.

Just heard him challenge that knobber who comes on to talk about Brexit when he accused Kevin Maguire of 'squealing like a girl'. Morgan asked what's the difference in the squealing of a boy and a girl and that men and boys squeal too...wonders never cease!

He's just an attention seeker who says things to get a reaction. He reminds me of Katie Hopkins. Deliberately says things that are supposed to be 'shocking' but they're not because you know he's being like that for the reaction/publicity.

Piers did a sterling job of exposing the hypocrisy of the gender lobby in his interview with Benjamjn yesterday.

Some of these personal attacks on Morgan are similar to attacks prominent GC women get, presumably because he is dares critise the gender lobby.

FWIW if gender is a spectrum, which is what Mermaids teach, there will be an infinite number of genders. Sex is binary so there are two.

I’ve just signed it. He is a pig but we need people to start a debate about this issue and he isn’t afraid to tackle these subjects, unlike the majority of our MPs.