Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

[mooncuplanding]

If anyone watches GMB, you will see that Piers Morgan is trying to advocate for women by challenging trans issues - in sport and awards ceremonies etc.

There is a petition to have him fired for being 'transphobic' yet he is quite courageous is saying he is not in agreement about the rights of transitioners to go into sport, to cancel the female category at awards ceremonies.

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general, I for one, appreciate his courage to continue to talk about these issues. Especially on such a big platform.

[Bezalelle]

He's generally a knobber, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[LizzieSiddal]

A lot of people watch him in the morning.
So if him talking about this issue spreads the word re how stupid slef ID is, I don’t care whose saying it, I’m just pleased they are.

[BeMoreMagdalen]

I wouldn't have expected anything less from you than that manipulative passive aggressive response

I"d like to apologise for losing my temper this morning. It's been a ridiculously stressful week and I reacted with far too much over sensitivity to what was well intentioned being pleased that people are beginning to take note, and a hope that things may change on the part of the OP. It's wasn't passive aggressive, it was straight up angry, and the situation didn't warrant it, and I have no particular desire to see enemies when there are friends.

Pax.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

(Offers hugs if needed)

[Hazza000]

I love this guy. He is a bit silly sometimes but I think he does it to highlight how nuts everything is becoming. I for one would champion him and this morning's debate made me think 'don't get me started' about trans ppl entering women's sports and taking all the medals it is something that makes my blood boil. Also now hospitals are letting men who identify as women but who have not transitioned or taken any hormones (to all intents and purposes men) into women's bays on wards and there have been issues resulting from this. So yes keep Piers on air. 100 different genders? Do me a favour!

[Jojoanna]

I actually agree with Piers sometimes

[mooncuplanding]

@bemoremagdalen

No worries from me. I hope your day is a good one.

[LangCleg]

Pax.

[LangCleg]

Look, Piers is never going to advance the cause of radical feminism. Or socialist/Marxist feminism (my kind, more or less). Frankly, nor are most Britons, whether they watch GMB or not.

But he might be able to highlight enough of the outrages of extremist genderism to at least get public opinion triggered enough for it to become politically inconvenient for the queer theory project to advance further than it already has.

I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water (or stop advocating for more actual feminism) just because Piers is, as Bezalelle rightly points out, a knobber.

[BeMoreMagdalen]

FWIW, I've always agreed with him on gun control, and I do actually think he was reasonably courageous about consistently speaking up about it when he puts a lot of store in his friendship with the US President and there are very powerful interests who are very against people who point out the gun problem in America with forthrightness. I've just yet to see quite that level of courage from him about this topic, and the last time I paid much attention to his Twitter feed he was questioning the manliness of a dad carrying his own baby, so it's not bowling me over yet. But who knows? There's weird shit happening all over the place right now.

[OhHolyJesus]

I struggle with Piers because I don't like him, his approach or his actions from his time as Editor - but on this I agree.

It shows me that sometimes I can find common ground even with people I detest for the majority of their views.

[NotTerfNorCis]

I'm not keen on Piers and I'll never get over him criticising Ariana Grande for going back to America after the Manchester attack. In this case though I'm right behind him.

[Antibles]

I agree OP.

And I've no time for tribalism.

[Goosefoot]

I don't think we should be allowed to say what we think if it's racist. Certainly not in public and on the telly. Or misogynist, come to that.

The problem I have with this is it enables this approach of getting certain buzzwords or ideas labeled racist or whatever, and no one even thinks any more, you just utter the word and you're out. It doesn't even seem to matter in many instances if the idea is true empirically. Surely there is quite a lot of room for discussion on many questions?

More generally, it's been my observation that in the media, and also in academia, the people who end up holding the line for freedom of speech or academic integrity and freedom can often be rather difficult and even abrasive, and overly sure of their own opinions and value. But maybe it's the case that we need people like that, and that includes those of us who might have strong opinions but tend to be less abrasive or outspoken.

[RoyalCorgi]

The other thing I think we need to remember is this. As gender-critical feminists, we are very very aware of this issue. We talk about it on Mumsnet and on Twitter and in secret groups on Facebook. We eagerly read every article on the issue published in the Sunday Times or the Mail on Sunday. Some of us attend meetings in real life too.

But the truth is, most people aren't aware of it. They have no idea that men are being put in women's prisons, or women's wards, or in women's refuges, or are playing in women's sports. They certainly have no idea about the government's proposals to implement self ID. And the vast majority of politicians have either bought into the TRA narrative or are too cowardly to speak out. So far one solitary MP, David Davies, has taken a public position on this. Remember James Kirkup saying that a number of MPs were very worried about self-ID but were terrified of saying anything publicly?

For this to stop being a niche issue that only feminists are concerned about, we need someone to make it mainstream. If Piers Morgan is that person, then so be it. He wouldn't be my first choice, but boy, is he good at getting publicity. Morgan could be instrumental in getting the tide turned on this whole thing.

[Ereshkigal]

For this to stop being a niche issue that only feminists are concerned about, we need someone to make it mainstream. If Piers Morgan is that person, then so be it. He wouldn't be my first choice, but boy, is he good at getting publicity. Morgan could be instrumental in getting the tide turned on this whole thing.

Yes.

[deydododatdodontdeydo]

But the truth is, most people aren't aware of it. They have no idea that men are being put in women's prisons, or women's wards, or in women's refuges, or are playing in women's sports

I disagree, I've overhead men talking about "this nonsense" many times, I've seen men openly talking on forums about it (ridiculing it) and I'm sure everyone has heard of Karen White.
Of course there are some people who don't know the extent of it (especially self ID), but I wouldn't say most people.

[DerRosenKavalier]

and I'm sure everyone has heard of Karen White

I very much doubt that. The rest of the world really isn't as obsessed by trans issues as FWR is.

[SingingLily]

I'm not convinced most people are aware of it either.

I can't help feeling that if men had been disproportionately and adversely affected, rather than women and girls, searching questions would have been asked a whole lot sooner.

[MrsSnippyPants]

I imagine, also, that you would have to be one hell of a raging, frothing misogynist to truly not grasp the insanity of trans ideology. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence, or self analysis, would be aghast at how the public is being duped.

Jolyon Maughm seems to fit the bill
twitter.com/KJ_Harrison/status/1184058275718991874

[AryaStarkWolf]

anyone know what the vote is at right now? I can't view the Poll without a Twitter account

[LikeothersIamjustme]

I cant find the trwitter poll but there is a link to a Change.org petition....(am I correct in assuming the statistics cannot be backed up?)
"Before I begin, I’d like to provide you with some statistics regarding transgender people, specifically young transgender people (who are arguably more vulnerable), in the UK. Did you know that, as detailed by Stonewall, 83% of young trans people have experienced verbal abuse, 60% have experienced threats and intimidation, and 35% have experienced physical assault (more than one in five, a staggering number)?

That’s not to mention how 55% of transgender people have experienced negative comments and 25% have been actively discriminated against in the workplace, and a horrifying 44% of transgender people are too afraid to come out as their true selves at work for fear of facing these unwarranted repercussions.

In turn, 48% (nearly half) of transgender people have actually attempted to commit suicide. 84% have thought about it, and 55% have suffered or are currently suffering from depression. 54% of transgender people have sought help, only to be told by their doctor that they aren’t well informed enough about trans-related care to do anything about it.

That’s only in this country. I want to also bring to your attention the prevalent deaths of many black transgender women in the US — as many as 18 have been recorded this year alone. Currently, in Mexico, tensions are rising as law enforcement refuses to punish those who abuse and/or murder transgender people."

[Fieldofgreycorn]

Gender as a harmful set of stereotypical behaviours is something that a lot of people haven't thought about.

Yes. But don’t you also think most people have genuine sympathy for transsexuals and won’t throw them under the bus?

[Fieldofgreycorn]

People are aware of the Karen white issue because it was all over the tabloids.

People probably assume it’s statistically very rare. Which it is.

[HorsewithnoRegretsNonJeNeRegre]

I know the man's name obviously. But as someone who never reads tabloids or has itv on (can't stand ads) could somebody take a minute to explain why some here hate him so much?

I've not read all the replies so if somebody has already done that on here then sorry which post was that then?