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Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

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mooncuplanding · 15/10/2019 08:12

If anyone watches GMB, you will see that Piers Morgan is trying to advocate for women by challenging trans issues - in sport and awards ceremonies etc.

There is a petition to have him fired for being 'transphobic' yet he is quite courageous is saying he is not in agreement about the rights of transitioners to go into sport, to cancel the female category at awards ceremonies.

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general, I for one, appreciate his courage to continue to talk about these issues. Especially on such a big platform.

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Ninkaninus · 15/10/2019 10:30

It isn’t ‘anti-trans.’

It’s pro-freedom of statement of biological fact.

It’s pro-safeguarding of children and vulnerable young people.

It’s pro-protection of hard-earned women’s rights and protections.

Charliethefeminist · 15/10/2019 10:31

I don't think we should be allowed to say what we think if it's racist. Certainly not in public and on the telly. Or misogynist, come to that.

Transphobic is a different kind of word altogether. It seems to have come to encompass descriptions of material reality, which are ridiculous to try to ban.

OvaHere · 15/10/2019 10:36

Morgan is no feminist that's for sure but I do get the impression he's genuinely bothered by what is happening to children due to trans ideology and queer theory. That and sports are what will unite most people regardless of other politics at play.

DuMondeB · 15/10/2019 10:37

Reality is transphobic.

Here’s a list of transphobic things by Claire Graham.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/10/2019 10:41

Can we not have a glad he's talking about this because he has a big platform and believe that he genuinely does think the trans stuff has gone too far but still not really like him very much option? I think the problem here is the "appreciate" framing - on an issue as obvious as this we're all likely to find ourselves in agreement with people who we otherwise don't agree on much with, and we can work together on that basis as needed without it turning into a mutual lovefest.

differentnameforthis · 15/10/2019 10:41

Does his level of sincerity matter if he is getting the message out? Yes, that's not ideal, but who else do we see (of his reach) taking the stance he has?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/10/2019 10:43

Also what Ova said -as more stuff about what's being done to kids comes out we'll start to see more and more people who care about that because of the natural adult impulse to protect children but who otherwise are politically very much at odds. We can come together on child protection issues even if we'd otherwise be on opposite sides of the political spectrum, because keeping kids safe should be an apolitical issue.

LangCleg · 15/10/2019 10:44

because keeping kids safe should be an apolitical issue

Amen to that.

SarahConnorFem · 15/10/2019 10:46

I agree with you @mooncuplanding I saw that interview live this morning. Piers IS genuinely outraged by this issue, he shows conviction and stands his ground. Plus I'm glad Benjamin B got owned, even but India.

LangCleg · 15/10/2019 10:47

I think Piers and his virtues vs sins can be summed up by the Iraq war.

He took a righteous position against it when the rest of the establishment (including the Grauniad) was all for it. But at the same time, he managed to lose his job for publishing egregious lies about the behaviour of British soldiers there.

A man of contradictions.

But if he's going to be the voice of common sense about child transition and rapists in women's prisons, I'm not going to complain.

Charliethefeminist · 15/10/2019 10:47

Someone's posted the screenshot of when he self identified as black

OvaHere · 15/10/2019 10:48

because keeping kids safe should be an apolitical issue

Absolutely.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/10/2019 10:50

If anything my hope would be that his taking this stance might encourage other well known broadcasters to locate the spines that they appear to have misplaced for the last few years.

Ninkaninus · 15/10/2019 11:09

Yes, quite. It’s vital that the tide turns. It’s vital that grassroots women and men of this country become aware and abreast of what this babble by a handful of people actually means. In order for that to happen, people need to be talking about it, drawing attention to it, and fostering debate and discussion in every household (well, one can hope, anyway!).

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 15/10/2019 11:11

I don’t like him generally. But on this issue he’s right and his voice has a far reach.

littlbrowndog · 15/10/2019 11:16

I game with about 80 men

They are just ordinary men
I have tried to raise this before but they had never heard about and I think they thought it was just a few men getting dressed up

But suddenly they are talking about.

Because they watch piers in the morning

It is important that he talked about it

A lot of people have never heard about it before but now they have and I guess I will be having some interesting conversation on this 💪

Needmoresleep · 15/10/2019 11:20

Charlie, I was referring to the name calling. Not actually being racist, misogynistic or transphobic.

An ex-friend was more than happy to label anyone who voted Brexit, or even anyone who could see some advantage in not being tied into the European project, as “racist”. Who needs thoughts or arguments if you automatically occupy the moral high ground.

Ditto with Morgan. Agree with him on some things, disagree on others. Hold your own views on whether he is an egotistical big mouth. But appreciate that he is usefully getting a public debate going on a subject that so much broadcast media has shied away from.

LikeothersIamjustme · 15/10/2019 11:22

I was discussing this with a colleague the other day, the problem nowadays seems to be that those in the media re expected to spout TWAW, whether they believe it or not. I have a suspicion that the majority do not believe it and fear for the consequences. Piers Morgan (an Katie Hopkins) have made careers out of being controversial. Whilst I may not agree with a lot of their views, I do on this, they reach a wide audience and hopefully get people talking. In addition, it also highlights that you also have to be 'hated' and have noting to lose to state the truth. Anything that gets people talking (and thinking) in my book is good.

Sometimes people just dont realise what is happening. It took me explaining to my OH that wearing my woman hoodie in public could potentially be classed as an offence for the penny to drop...

Datun · 15/10/2019 11:24

They are just ordinary men
I have tried to raise this before but they had never heard about and I think they thought it was just a few men getting dressed up

But suddenly they are talking about.

Because they watch piers in the morning

Excellent, littl.

There is a certain symmetry to all this.

Gender ideology seems to have found favour because we have such a highly gendered society now. And people can't cope with the boxes they're shoved into.

But as more people realise how damaging it is, the gender critical position gets airtime and sunlight.

Gender as a harmful set of stereotypical behaviours is something that a lot of people haven't thought about.

Which is why I do genuinely believe that transactivism will actually do the job of gender criticism. I've never seen it go the other way.

Charliethefeminist · 15/10/2019 11:24

Ah I see!!!

Sparklfairy · 15/10/2019 11:27

I hate him on GMB. He constantly undermines and talks over Susannah Reid (who I don't like either). He is deliberately goady in an almost Katie Hopkins style.

However, he has caused a storm on social media like no one else has previously on this issue. There are now two petitions, one to have him fired and one to keep him. I did smile a bit when he gave the one to have him fired publicity by retweeting it himself and adding some sarcastic comment.

I have no doubt that his motives are self serving. But the ripple effect could have positive consequences for women's rights.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/10/2019 11:27

Agreed, Datun. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and all. The fact that it's been so taboo to talk about what's happening in any detail and the resulting cluelessness of most of the public is how things got this far.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 15/10/2019 11:31

Just because someone voices an opinion that I also share, doesn't mean I have to support them or like them or agree with anything else they say, whether it's Piers Morgan, KH, JHB, Nick Griffin, whoever.

I don't think it's necessarily courageous, I think in fact it's playing to a certain audience, and self-serving shit stirring.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 15/10/2019 11:32

Also I feel like the constant debating about whether we do or don't like a particular person who's speaking out against the overreaches of trans activists isn't really a useful way to frame things. The more people speaking out the better. We won't like all of them, and there will be some who some of us like and others don't. Everyone who's concerned about what's happening has the right to speak out. More voices coming at things from more angles is a good thing.

Datun · 15/10/2019 11:39

I imagine, also, that you would have to be one hell of a raging, frothing misogynist to truly not grasp the insanity of trans ideology. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence, or self analysis, would be aghast at how the public is being duped.

Women's sports, transing children, etc. These are issues that are not going to be confined to a few feminists.