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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan

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mooncuplanding · 15/10/2019 08:12

If anyone watches GMB, you will see that Piers Morgan is trying to advocate for women by challenging trans issues - in sport and awards ceremonies etc.

There is a petition to have him fired for being 'transphobic' yet he is quite courageous is saying he is not in agreement about the rights of transitioners to go into sport, to cancel the female category at awards ceremonies.

Although he seems a bit conflicting about how he actually deals with trans people in general, I for one, appreciate his courage to continue to talk about these issues. Especially on such a big platform.

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Fatshedra · 18/10/2019 12:06

Have watched the Piers/Butterworth video and I would say Piers Morgan is piggybacking on Douglas Murray's views found in his best seller book The Madness of Crowds. Murray bravely calls out a lot of today's bullshit. You can see various interviews with him about the book/ his views on YouTube. He is my hero in all of today's pc madness.

GlitchStitch · 18/10/2019 15:21

Piers has just introduced 7 million people to Rachel McKinnon. I'm all for his contributions!

mobile.twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1185197604558127104

truthisarevolutionaryact · 18/10/2019 15:33

Can't see anyone disagreeing with him - in fact there's lots of "I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but you're right"

Datun · 18/10/2019 15:45

"I can't believe I'm agreeing with you but you're right"

Indeed. Does Piers Morgan know about Karen White?

He's done it now, anyway. He is lifting the lid. And the more he finds out, the more appalled he will be.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/10/2019 15:59

There are a few annoying comments along the lines of
'As long as women themselves don’t stand up and start denouncing identity politics and the 100 genders, I really don’t care, but the minute they do pick up the fight against the madness I’ll back em.'

Dude, we're mostly not on Twitter because it's a sexist platform which regularly censors women. Hmm

ChurchillNotTheDog · 18/10/2019 16:03

I still think having piers morgan on our side is not going to do us any favours. This kind of stuff matters.

mooncuplanding · 18/10/2019 16:05

@Fatshedra

He had Douglas Murray on a week or so ago. He's definitely read his book (or at least listened to him on some podcasts)

It's all good :-)

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teawamutu · 18/10/2019 16:36

I think this might fall under 'he's an arsehole, but right now he's the arsehole we need'.

Because I haven't noticed any nice supportive appropriately left wing men with anything like his reach and platform stepping up beside us.

ChurchillNotTheDog · 18/10/2019 16:59

I genuinely think having men like Morgan on our side is going to do more harm than good. He won't be convincing anyone who actually needs convincing.

Beveren · 18/10/2019 17:03

I agree it will do more harm than good. He's not known as Piers Moron for nothing, and when he's not viewed as an idiot he's viewed as a bigoted prick. He doesn't generally follow any sort of political line unless it meets his own agenda somehow, and he will be entirely happy to abandon it if it suits him. It's seriously dangerous to be willingly supportive of him or associated with him.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 18/10/2019 17:14

He won't be convincing anyone who actually needs convincing
Given that the combined efforts of all the women's groups, women and many men are having a limited impact on the spread of this toxic misogynistic ideology (see the police pronoun thread, the hate crime thread, the forthcoming court cases and judicial reviews and the EHRC proposed guidelines for schools, let alone the march of mediocre males as they take over women's sports) I reckon we need everyone in society to be aware of this. So if Piers Morgan can contribute to dismantling the #nodebate and sharing the reality of what TWAW and self identification actually means, then I'm all in favour of him speaking out.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 18/10/2019 17:20

He won't be convincing anyone who actually needs convincing.

The public need awareness of what's going on specifically what the state is doing right now.

Nobody in power needs "convincing" they know what is happening because they are pushing it.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 18/10/2019 17:23

he will be entirely happy to abandon it if it suits him

But until then people are learning what is happening.

At some point EVERY outlet will be trans affirmative, that's how these things work.

AnyOldPrion · 19/10/2019 04:11

Speaking to my teenage son a couple of days ago and he says his peers joke about identifying as things. I’ve noted other age groups doing the same thing and I believe outside woke institutions, this is probably the standard POV.

The problem is that they have no idea where this is going. If Piers starts a wider discussion, then more and more people will express their opinions and it becomes harder and harder for politicians to ignore just how much of a vote loser this will be.

There’s an extent to which the source is less important than getting the issues into the sunlight.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/10/2019 07:19

There’s an extent to which the source is less important than getting the issues into the sunlight.

Agreed. This ideology can't withstand public scrutiny, and that's exactly what it hasn't been getting. The people who've seen bits of it mostly already disagree, but aren't sure if they can or should say so. All we really need to get the ball rolling is for people to start openly talking about it outside of those arenas where the conversation is controlled with an iron fist.

MoleSmokes · 25/10/2019 15:13

In the context of a petition calling for Piers Morgan to be sacked, I can understand why OP mooncuplanding asked, "Could we take a moment to appreciate Piers Morgan" - rather than, say, "Could we take a moment to appreciate the actions of Piers Morgan in . . . " (whatever . . . exposing the totalitarian mindset of the "liberal left", . . . challenging the tenets of gender ideology, . . . bringing the lunacy of "100 genders" to wider attention, . . . platforming and interrogating trans activist extremists, . . . refusing to bow to TWAW "no debate" demands, . . . giving air time to transsexuals who oppose transgenderism, etc. etc.)

I have never seen Piers Morgan on TV but I have watched the "trans debate" videos brought to my attention on Mumsnet and Twitter. I have never read anything he has written. All I knew of "Piers Moron" until very recently was that, as a good leftie woman, I was expected to do my duty by hating and reviling him unquestioningly - certainly not sully myself by taking a peek at him and judging for myself. I was never inquisitive enough about him to bother to do that anyway.

In the videos I have seen, I find it very irritating how he talks over his co-presenters and gives them little or no opportunity to get a word in edgeways. Personally, I feel that their minimal contributions add a lot of value - and that the programme would benefit from PM making a conscious effort to zip-it more often in order to hear their questions.

Is he "doing more harm than good", ie. in that he is gender critical, so leaving GC feminists open to the charge that we are "just like Piers Morgan" or that GC feminists "support Piers Morgan" (as a person and everything he says and does)?

Only if we think it will actually make a difference that some will levy those charges, in an attempt to undermine GC feminists and GC feminism and that any possible "reputational damage" outweighs the benefits of PM both giving two fingers to the "no debate" mob and his contribution to the debate.

I don't buy the illogical line that one person's contribution to ensuring that there is a debate, whoever they are, should be dismissed as irrelevant simply because others got there earlier or have a different motivation or face greater threat speaking out or because we agree with them on other things.

On balance, I think P Morgan's contribution is very helpful, whatever his motivations on this issue or his views and actions on other issues.

As an aside, on other FWR threads recently, GC feminists have reiterated that Gender Critical Feminism is not a "movement", that we are all individuals with a common cause but otherwise wildly disparate in terms of eg. political affiliations, religious beliefs, styles and methods of activism, acceptance or rejection of particular "allies".

We can say that as often as we like but actions speak louder than words. When trans activists accuse GC feminism of being a "cult" it is threads like this that demonstrate how very wrong they are!

TirisfalPumpkin - "I think he’s a populist. He says right wing things if he thinks they’re going to land well, ditto left wing things. His overall position is probably something like ‘outraged centrist’.

Would’ve liked to see BB get really grilled on what is an acceptable gender to identify as. If a two spirit penguin is off the table, what about spacegender, angeligender or one of the various ones that relate to fictional characters or otherkin types? Where do you draw the line? Or is BB just a gatekeeping exclusionary penguinphobe?

Generally I think PM has done things in the past indicative of a lack of ethics and journalistic integrity. That has no bearing on whether he’s allowed to have an opinion and voice it. It’s not 1984."

I agree.

If you want to see Benjamin "I Self-ID as Black" Butterworth squirming as PM grills him about 100 Genders and then "comes out" as a "Two Spirit, Nutrois, Pangender Penguin", this is right up your street! Smile

"Should There Be a Limit to Gender Identities? | Good Morning Britain" (11 Sept 2019)

MissLawls · 25/10/2019 17:58

I doubt GMB will sack him. He's a big draw for them.

lucasthecat · 26/10/2019 07:08

There seems to be a perception that Piers Morgan - is a typical right wing middle aged bloke with very traditional old fashioned views - and that is how he can come across - but his views have always been more liberal - He was totally against the Iraq War when he edited the Mirror - he was sacked for printing fake photos (he thought were real) of British troops abusing Iraqi prisoners - it later came out British Troops did abuse Iraqi prisoners (his brother serves in the army) he voted remain and said he would have voted for Hilary Clinton in the US - and he has always been pro gun control - and it possibly harmed his career in the US- yes he is loud and confrontational - but he is not a right wing bogey man - and he is pro women when it comes to sport and self ID - and he has no track record for changing or flip flopping his opinion - and he has 6 million twitter followers - so all in all a good person to have in your corner when it comes to reaching a wider audience - than feminism boards or forums

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