Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

And it’s the idea that we must all take collective responsibility for everything every other woman does

I think you're misunderstanding. This entire thread is about Posie Parker and her actions and whether her association with the far-right is a good thing.

And the argument put forward by a number of posters is that her actions somehow ‘let the side down’

Well, they do, if you support her in this. It's one fair to a) say it is wrong b) ignore it and say you don't have the time, but if you say c) I think it's a great thing, then you're implicitly supporting a partnership with the far-right as and when it suits.

An intellectually honest thing to do would be to ask how you would feel if Rachel McKinnon was getting support from far-right platforms, and TRAs were supporting Rachel McKinnon in this.

No.
For me at any rate it's not about "men won't give us our rights" (who even said that?) OR about Posie not agonising over who she pals up with OR taking collective responsibility for everything every woman does. At all.
Firstly I don't worry too much about what "the other side" think, or what men think. Women's rights campaigners are shit on the shoe of most men anyway, so what difference does it make? I DO care about someone who publicly stands for women palling up with a racist, sexist nutter.
All women are NOT responsible for what all other women do, BUT when a woman is a public figure (and has single mindedly made it her business to become so) then Hell yes she has a responsibility to be more thoughtful (if it was just thoughtless campaigning and not something more sinister).
I'm not a follower of anyone in particular, I'm not on Twitter,I don't generally take sides in spats, but from a totally objective point of view I think what Posie did is really dubious.
Also, it's quite patronising to suggest that if someone is against her decision to do what she did then they are somehow a feeble little woman worrying about what men think or agonising whether they have permission to speak. Obviously Posie will do what she does regardless, but I am going to say I would personally not wear one of her T shirts because I wouldn't want to be lumped in with her anymore. I think that's a shame personally.

you're implicitly supporting a partnership with the far-right as and when it suits

Do you think that by appearing on that loon’s podcast Posie is ‘partnering’ with him?

Fuck me, Michael Parkinson must be ‘partnered’ with about a bajillion people

And Terry Wogan

Promiscuous

She showed who she was ages ago. The weirdest bit is everyone tripping over themselves to defend her actions.

People did it then, they’ll do it now and if people continue to do it, genuine GC discussions will continue to be dismissed and ignored as bigoted trash by those who can actually make a difference.

When an individual TRA behaves like a POS, it’s commented upon as if they are a collective. When PP does something ‘we’re all individuals’ you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think you’re judged by the company you keep.

All women are NOT responsible for what all other women do, BUT when a woman is a public figure (and has single mindedly made it her business to become so) then Hell yes she has a responsibility to be more thoughtful

So All women are not responsible for what other women do, but Posie should behave as if she is?

Giving an interview isn't "palling up with" someone, though. People give interviews to people they don't like all the time. When those people are men the "palling up with" assumption doesn't seem to be made.

There's no reason anyone has to like Posie, but this sort of "did you see what she did?" stuff with associated musings about how this will somehow bring down the cause of pushing back against TRA overreach is counterproductive. Eyes on the prize - we have better things to do than going after each other.

I don’t give a shit what men think about what Posie says or does.

I do care about the judgements made of our arguments by women of colour and working class poor women and lesbian teenage girls when they see us talking happily to overt racists (or anti-poor right wingers, or homophobes.) Which doesn’t mean I’m going to criticise Posie for having different boundaries to me, but it does mean I’ve stopped sharing her stuff in the way that I used to. I kept finding it put off the women who most need to hear about what the gender ideologues are doing.

when they see us talking happily to overt racists

US????????

I'm not sure how many peole here you are including in us?

Us was a figure of speech.

In my opinion, Posie's T-shirts, videos, and actions have brought more attention to the threat of SelfID and the medical experimentation on children than almost anything else.

The absolute lies that were told about her visit to Washington were appalling. As one mother of a daughter caught up in the trans cult said, (and I paraphrase as I can't find the direct quote)
"I would sleep with the devil himself if it meant I could save my daughter"

I don't know Posie, and I can't speak for her, but I'm pretty sure she won't give a flying fuck about yet another attack on her. 'Far-right' always gets thrown around as an insult. Where are the left on this issue? Throwing women and children under the bus is where.

I'll continue to wear my T-shirt; it has initiated more conversations than any amount of finger waving on the internet.

Us was a figure of speech.

No, it implies we are backing or joined with something.

There is no "Us"

What? I was responding to your comment? You haven’t rebutted anything I said?

But I read the comment as being about the content of your posts, rather than the grammar your were using? In that your first post was very well thought out and argued (even if others might disagree) but almost immediately afterwards your posts dissolved into insulting others...

Nothing to do with levels of literacy...

Oh. there are another 4 pages of posts that I missed. As you were...

it does mean I’ve stopped sharing her stuff in the way that I used to

See, this makes sense to me, as do the PP’s who don’t wear the t-shirts any more

It’s pretty much how I feel myself tbh

But I’m also very sure that Posie doesn’t speak for me and can do what the fuck she likes

If I share something GC then other women who watch or read it consider it to represent my views. It is an endorsement (unless I make it clear I’m sharing it to criticise it).

So I don’t share anything that promotes white supremacism, anti-Semitism, or racist positions (that I am aware of). Even when it also contains Posie’s whip-smart GC commentary.

(And I try not to share anything by another GC woman for the purpose of criticising it, because that seems needlessly antagonistic. Our boundaries and aims and approaches are different and I can live with that.)

That is what I mean by “us” - me and those I appear to ally myself with by sharing their content.

^ was in reply to CaptainKirk

That is what I mean by “us” - me and those I appear to ally myself with by sharing their content

....But you've just sated you don't ally yourself with these people....

stated*

Yes, Posie only speaks for you if you let her

If you disagree with some of the things she does, don’t share her posts

But it doesn’t mean she can’t or shouldn’t plough on with doing what she thinks is right

FFS Kirk. Maybe I’m not being clear. But that’s enough analysis of 1 word. Think what you will.

I agree with all that Bernard.

This constant policing of women is exhausting. Julie Bindell writes for the Daily Mail; are we having a go at her too?
And all the other brilliant feminist women who write for various papers and platforms I have seen people sneer at?

I share links to all kinds of things all the time, some of which I entirely endorse, some of which I have issues with but think contains useful nuggets of information, some of which I disagree with in many ways and want to talk about.

The whole "ally with" thing in relation to media content makes no sense to me. I shared the DM article about the Flora thing with multiple people because it was the first article to hit the media. Doing so is not a declaration of allyship with the DM and I'd find it very odd if anyone took it that way (they didn't). Now that other outlets are covering it I'll share those articles too.