Posie Parker Interview

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Is anyone else aware that Posie is doing an interview with controversial youtuber, j.f. gariepy? didn't expect to see that...

Well, it’s shit like this that means that so many won’t speak out about it, so it makes little difference even if they hear about it. And made up links to the far right can obviously be dispelled. A bit hard when it’s actually true.

The GRA reforms will never be part of an election campaign so what the ‘masses’ think isn’t actually the most important thing. I think the fact that it’s already featured heavily in the most circulated newspapers means that maybe this interview isn’t essential for spreading the message. The key is persuading politicians and policy makers that these concerns are legitimate. That’s not done by fraternising with people like this.

Do people still think of Posie as a feminist? I thought she was just GC?

I said it when she went to USA to rub shoulders with alt right anti-women’s rights activists - you lay down with dogs you get fleas.

But if shes no longer pretending to be a feminist and just wants to get her GC points out then that’s her prerogative I guess

People lump it all together and see it as the same thing. I don’t think she even claims to be GC as she endorses some quite strong trad wife/woman type rhetoric in some of her videos. But she is anti the reform of the GRA. Just as many fundamentalist Christians believe that woman= adult human female but they don’t have an issue with gender roles.

Well personally speaking, far from it making me feel I can't speak out I find Posie, whoever she talks to, rather inspiring. Being a woman and having a science degree or two means that I often feel I can't speak unless I'm completely evidence based with a long list of references to hand. And being a 'busy mum' I don't have time for that on every single issue all the time.

I find it rather refreshing the way Posie will say it how she sees it to whomever wishes to speak to her. It gives me courage.

I also think speaking to someone isn't the same as 'having links to'. If that's the case I've got 'links to' Sainsbury's as I often have a chat about politics or other issues with my delivery driver.....

And made up links to the far right can obviously be dispelled. A bit hard when it’s actually true.

Impossible when they actually call themselves an alt-righter too

OhWhatACarveUp - just to say, cartoons like that against feminists ave existed since way before the trans debates.

The exact same thing used to be thrown at feminists who were against porn and the sex industry - we were accused then of aligning ourselves with fundamental far right Christians, because they were also anti-porn.

Women who campaigned for the vote were called whores and ugly - also a flurry of very nasty cartoons and postcards did the rounds then.

I've attached a vintage anti-suffrage postcard that isn't a million miles away from the "anti-terf" memes that circulate on twitter now.

Any time a woman behaves in a way that distinguishes herself from a doormat - this happens.

I honestly can’t see what’s so ‘refreshing’ about it. It’s talking to a highly dubious alt-righter on his YouTube channel, so obviously exposing yourself to his following. It’s not like it’s a major broadcaster or something. I guess anyone could talk to him but choosing to do so does say something about that person and whether or not they agree with everything he has to say, it shows some sort of sympathy. Or at least that’s the way it comes across to onlookers.

As I said before, this is not an issue that will ever go to a public vote. Our system doesn’t work like that. It will be a matter of persuading those in charge of policy that it’s a legitimate argument and not just hate, as alleged by the TRAs. If you then buddy up with the right wing (which this is- I highly doubt she will rip into him for what he has said about women and race), it’s less likely that people will think it is legitimate. She’s no idiot so I suspect this is all about publicity and building a ‘brand’ as someone ‘notorious’.

zebras you have a point but I think you can be a non-doormat and retain your principles. It’s quite a libfem argument to say ‘being feminist means women get to do what they like and nobody can criticise them’. We do get to be critical when it’s seen to endorse a harmful viewpoint. This man is a misogynistic racist and any oxygen he gets is a waste.

Pota2 - did you read my previous posts - I don't think I could've made it any clearer that I hate this man!

Just making the point that feminists have nasty cartoons made about them no matter what they do.

We do get to be critical when it’s seen to endorse a harmful viewpoint.

Pota2, I made the exact same point when I said this earlier:

"but I do reserve the right to harshly criticise those alt-righters when the interview is full of MRA anti-women tripe"

I can't count the number of times I have seen 'left eating the left', 'lgbt eating its own tail' and 'feminisim turning on itself' in the comments in newspapers and online.

Self-id will affect these people too and they need to wake up to that for common sense to prevail. I doubt they are open to feminist ways of thinking because they will have their fingers too firmly in their ears. Posie has a good no-nonsense style that works and isn't afraid to use it.

We always hear that you have to talk to all sides to bring consensus, and that is what she is doing.

Actually most alt righters & feminists are in complete agreement on trans issues, they agree on very little else but this issue they tend to agree.

Most people are in complete agreement on trans issues, they're just too scared to openly say so because they might get sacked.

Most people are in complete agreement on trans issues, they're just too scared to openly say so because they might get sacked.

Yes.

Or arrested in front of their children, denied sanpro for hours and forcibly separated from a breastfed baby.

Or attacked.

"I can't count the number of times I have seen 'left eating the left', 'lgbt eating its own tail' and 'feminisim turning on itself' in the comments in newspapers and online."

This is very common, and it makes me really mad and frustrated, because it is true, and it means that I will probably just spoil my vote in the next election. You have far left movements such as Momentum, massive embracement of identity politics and 1001 ways of being hurt/insulted/traumatised, whilst the country is in crisis.
I have watched videos of Posie, and she comes across as being intelligent, very calm and controlled in interviews - Harrop, Cashman. She deals with facts, she will not be forced to believe something which is patently untrue.
I doubt that she would agree with all my views, or vice versa, but that is life.

I think that talking about Posie as if she's letting a side down is missing the point. I don't think she describes herself as a feminist, let alone a radical one. I believe she uses the term 'women's activist'. From what I've seen, I would say the main thing that makes her tick is her belief in free speech. I think that if you view what she says and does through that prism then it makes sense Do I worry about her sometimes? Hell yes but she's a grown woman and she's not in any club.

There’s that thing I’ve read on: “when someone tells you who they are - believe them” see, PP told me who she is a long time ago.

I don’t buy the reductivism from the PP apologists here. Well she only speaks for herself? Nah. Stop it. If you’re bigging her up, she’s speaking for you too. Ovaries of steel? Nah. How is it brave to seek out alt-right and ultra conservative platforms from which to express views they already share? She’s preaching to the sexist, homophobic and racist choir ffs.

PP is not a feminist, she’s not even GC IMO; she’s coming from a place of homophobia and transphobia (and of making a name for herself in order to sell t-shirts in North America) not a place concerned with women’s rights. If that were the case, she’d be out there trying to get the women in the centrist political wilderness in the US and Canada on board not alienating them by aligning herself with political extremists.

I don't know. It's true that Posie is not the leader of a movement or anything, BUT she does have a lot of exposure. She does the Adult Human Female T-shirts doesn't she? She has plenty of influence just from those, plus the events she has hosted.
I don't care if she describes herself a feminist or not, and I supported the U.S trip on the whole, but this You Tuber she has done an interview with seems like an absolute fucking turd.
She has the public profile now to be a bit pickier who she sits next to, surely? It's really a load of shite (or disingenuous in MN speak) to claim that the GC/anti self id cause is just bunch of random individuals doing their own thing with no responsibilities. All public figures with a cause have to be careful who, or what, they endorse.
And it's easy to shrug off that she is chatting happily with a racist if you are never going to be that target of that racist.

She calls herself a women's rights activist and a single issue campaigner.

I think she's marvellous. Yes, ovaries of steel.

Also, she says she's a happily married woman, which last time I checked, wasn't a crime.

People get a bit irrational when the subject of Posie doing what she wants without agonising or referring to others is raised

I find it very interesting

I find the "men won't give us our rights if some women seem to be keeping questionable company" aspect of the conversation particularly interesting/depressing. Sometimes I wonder to what extent that's been internalized and whether the people saying it believe that we don't deserve rights unless we can prove that we're beyond reproach.

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And it’s the idea that we must all take collective responsibility for everything every other woman does

If one woman does something that some unspecified moral arbiter disagrees with then none of us can have nice things

So strange

And it’s the idea that we must all take collective responsibility for everything every other woman does. If one woman does something that some unspecified moral arbiter disagrees with then none of us can have nice things

So strange

It's not strange is it, it's controlling, it's typical and ingrained but not strange.