Men only job

[SuperMeerkat]

First time post, long time lurker. I spotted a job that was for men only, sexual health clinic support worker. Advert said ‘exempt under gender discrimination laws etc’ What would happen if a woman applied saying she identified as a man? Or if you were non-binary like I think Sam Smith is? I don’t want the job, just wondering really.

So what does this mean?:

Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex.

Also from the NHS:
Sex is biological – male, female or intersex.

On behalf of the majority of intersex people, please stop calling us disordered.
oiiinternational.com/2614/on-third-sex/

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Normally threads on mumsnet stick to the OPs question rather than becoming something else completely. The question was answered in that there are single sex exemptions in the equality act. People rock up to shout transphobe and bigot at posters and we get derailed as a results but generally the apprach here is to stick to the OPs subject.

My question is why don't people on here think transgender women are women? That's what the post became about really quickly with people shouting rapists and liars when talking about trans women. I can't do this anymore but maybe will start another post in the future where more people can tell me I'm a disordered liar lol that sounds fun

A transgender woman is, well what it says on the tin. Can you explain in what way a trans woman is a woman? Sex is sex and gender is just stereotypes.

Besides ’gender’ is as useful as describing people by eye colour.

If you look at the stonewall umbrella ‘trans’ seems to cover 80% of the population so it doesn’t mean very much.

If any man can just say he is a woman, what stops abusive men making that claim?
Mammals cannot change sex. Women have needs and rights based on our sex, not our gender presentation

'Sex is biological – male, female or intersex.'

Right, so how does a man become a woman?

And the answer is, they can't, and everybody knows that.

Why not a third space, a middle ground. Why not 'expand the bandwidth' of what it means to be a man as happened in the 70s and 80s?

The answers to those questions, the conclusions, are very interesting when you sit down and think about them.

I’d be prepared to say that people who have taken opposite-sex hormones or had surgery have made themselves artificially intersex, if you like , Luftballon.

Not sure the intersex community will be keen.

Lots of statements saying leave us out of this.

The trans activists don’t want third spaces, because trans women do not feel their identity as laydeeez is validated unless they, and their penises and testicles - are in women’s spaces.

I am assuming that is what Luftballon is getting at, though, Fraggling? Taking it on trust here that Luftballin is indeed intersex as that’s what he or she has said.

but rape isn't more horrific for fertile women then it is for infertile women, children, etc etc which is what the original post about it said!!!

No, that is not what I said. The link to my original post: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3715684-Men-only-job?msgid=90835112 and also a screencap.

Please point out where I differentiated between fertile and infertile women, bearing in mind that a woman in OED is an "adult human female" and a woman under the EA2010 is a "female of any age".

You have fabricated an argument and ascribed it to me. This is known as the "straw man fallacy". It indicates a lack of valid counter-argument on your part, because you wouldn't resort to the straw man.if you had an actual argument. The argument you have fabricated is designed to make me look bad: this is called "poisoning the well". Your tactic here is to twist my words out of recognition to make the evvil terves look bad, and you're hoping that no one will actually bother to go back upthread and re-read what I actually wrote. FWR regulars are used to these tactics.

1. As Fraggling has already stated, rape is always an appalling attack upon a person's dignity, mind, and body.

2. As Fraggling has already stated, a pregnancy adds another layer of awfulness to that. A Northern Irish women would have to find money to travel to England or ROI if she were raped and became pregnant, on top of the trauma of the rape. It's not rocket science to see how a rape leading to pregnancy is objectively harder to deal with than a rape not leading to pregnancy, if all other aspects of the rape are the same.

3. I state, having taken two pregnancy tests in my life whilst praying both times to any deity that would listen that the result is "not pregnant", that the victim's fear of the rapist making her pregnant adds another layer of awfulness to a rape. Imagine the married woman who is raped and is frightened that if she falls pregnant, her husband will think that she has been unfaithful. Imagine the Northern Irish girl, with no money to pay for travel to England, praying after her rape that her period will come.

4. No one male, whether transwoman or otherwise, has to face this fear because males cannot become pregnant. That doesn't mean that the rape of males isn't appalling, it is, see point 1. But we should not ignore that males do not have the additional layers of awfulness imposed by the fear of pregnancy and pregnancy itself.

5. Almost all women are justified in fearing rape-induced pregnancy. Most females are fertile at some point in their lives. Many infertile females believe that they are fertile until they find out otherwise when trying to conceive. Some "infertile" women are misdiagnosed and turn out to be fertile after all. Fallopian tubes can become untied. The female victim only has to believe that she's fertile to experience that stomach-churning fear of unwanted pregnancy with her rapist's baby. The argument that an infertile woman has a less-bad rape than a known-fertile women is bollocks because unless a woman has had a hysterectomy or bilateral oopherectomy, she is justified in thinking that she might be fertile and so has every reason to fear pregnancy from rape. I have an IUS, the most reliable contraceptive on earth bar vasectomy, and I still worried about pregnancy in my last relationship.

I agree with Fraggling that someone who can't see this is devoid of empathy towards women, to a sociopathic degree.

There is a common thread amongst trans privilege activists of trying to minimise the impact of pregnancy on women's lives. Denying that pregnancy and the fear of pregnancy exacerbate the horror of rape is an example of this, and it is misogyny.

What would happen if a woman applied saying she identified as a man?

OP I suspect that she'd get a similar response to Man Friday activists at the men's swimming pond.