MNHQ make a statement on Twitter re FWR

[GirlDownUnder]

mobile.twitter.com/MumsnetTowers/status/1182615292813467648

Mumsnet will always stand in solidarity with minority communities. We don’t tolerate transphobic comments and will delete any when they are flagged to us. But we do also believe strongly in free speech. 1/3

The discussion of gender self-id and what that might mean for very hard-won women’s rights, as well as the rapidly growing number of children exploring gender identity issues, is contentious. 2/3

We know some people would like us to simply censor this entire debate but a similar number think we censor too much. We’re committed to allowing respectful discussion of an issue that is of particular interest to parents. 3/3

The usual suspects pile on, but I think the ratios look very good.

MNHQ

Black people weren't seen as equal? That's pretty similar.

What rights do trans women not have, that men have?

Martin Luther King was seen as a danger in his early days too. He was a black rights activist.

So a transwoman gets to achieve at sports or at work some time

Do you believe men become women by complying with feminine stereotypes of appearance LifeonVenus?

(Turns up)

(Makes list of demands)

(Deploys ridiculous hyperbole)

(Refuses to listen to anyone else's concerns, needs, or perspective)

(Will no doubt soon storm off bemused by inability to silence the women who just won't do what they're told)

They don't have the right to be treated as women.

Women are talking about specifics. Events, statistics, particular activists' or political figures' statements and actions released in the press or their social media, policies being written, legal process being bypassed.

It's clear from this person's posts that they don't give a single fuck.

but men do?

you really aren't making any sense

They don't have the right to be treated as women.

No one has a right to be treated as a women.

Martin Luther King was seen as a danger in his early days too. He was a black rights activist

JFC

men aren’t a persecuted minority

Give over

They don't have the right to be treated as women.

Well no. Not in certain things where sex is important. Because they are male. And women are female.

Christ why would anyone want it when we have all this fucking shit from men to deal with

Rightly or wrongly, this is a 'safe' place for women to come to voice their 'concern' in pretty vocal and vociferous terms about trans rights.
THAT is dangerous.

They don't have the right to be treated as women.

That's right. Like white people don't have the right to be treated as black.

So a transwoman gets to achieve at sports or at work some time. Stop the lights!!!!!!!!!!

I'll assume you mean in women's sports, although men's sports are fully open to transwomen and almost all transwomen competitors were male competitors first?

Lovely for that transwoman to achieve in women's sport. I agree.

My issue is: is it lovely for everyone else involved in that sport? What impact does that have on female athletes or is the expectation here that only the needs, feelings, perspective of the TW athlete matters and women are just kind of props for their benefit?

Is women's sport about the opportunity (which hasn't existed long) for people born female to show the height of competition possible for a female body? Or is it to provide validation experiences for people who don't have that biology or body but want to identify as having it?

What does being treated as a woman mean?

People open doors for you?
People are more likely to rape you?

How, exactly, are women treated?

This sort of blustering refusal to engage while posting predictable talking points works well on Twitter. Mumsnet, not so much.

Rightly or wrongly, this is a 'safe' place for women to come to voice their 'concern' in pretty vocal and vociferous terms about trans rights.

THAT is dangerous.

Haha! Overplayed. You were verging on it with the gay/black argument, but now you've spoilt yourself.

Rightly or wrongly, this is a 'safe' place for women to come to voice their 'concern' in pretty vocal and vociferous terms about trans rights.
THAT is dangerous

Women talking about their rights is dangerous

You heard it here first folks

Someday someone will attempt to explain what being treated as a woman means. IME it mostly means not very impressive men having the inexplicable belief that they're superior to you in every way just because they have a penis.

Oh, and also randoms throwing tantrums because you're failing to put the wants of others above your own.

TBH I'm a little bit embarrassed after MNHQ's little tweet to be a poster here.

I have friends of all minorities who would malign me for the association.

That worries me.

No answer about why I should feel oh so happy and fulfilled sharing the women’s toilets with a male I see

Rightly or wrongly, this is a 'safe' place for women to come to voice their 'concern' in pretty vocal and vociferous terms about trans rights.
THAT is dangerous.

It's not a "safe place". It's an open online forum with topics, boards and threads. Unlike Twitter where you can block people you disagree with. Anyone can come and disagree. But you might get your arse handed to you.

You heard it here first folks

To be fair it's certainly not the first time we've heard it. 1/10 for originality.