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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sky: Hundreds of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

83 replies

LangCleg · 05/10/2019 09:34

Excellent article about the growing numbers of detransitioners featuring Charlie Evans.

Tavi & Port in utter denial.

news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

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SingingLily · 05/10/2019 11:12

The first time I met someone who wanted to "detransition" was over thirty years ago. There was no support for him then, and precious little sympathy. He was a man with complex MH problems who couldn't admit that he was simply gay (something else not afforded much support or sympathy at the time). In any case, surgery had by then already made it impossible for him to return to his original state.

You would hope that times might have changed for the better, wouldn't you? If anything, it's worse now because the whole trans subject is now so polarised and sensible debate is shut down at every opportunity.

I feel desperately sorry for those who are detransitioning or are desperate to do so. They are not only struggling with the real issues - the ones that could never be solved by hormone treatment and surgery anyway, the ones sold a deeply damaging lie - but they will be viciously targeted by others for exposing the truth about the brave and stunning narrative.

BluePheasant · 05/10/2019 11:14

Not at all surprised but feel so sad for the young people that have been manipulated and caught up in this madness. I hope this gets widely reported.

Popchyk · 05/10/2019 11:18

Just as a general point, how amazing is Charlie?

To go through all that herself and have the courage to take on the fight on behalf of others.

She knows she'll be a target for doing this. And she does it anyway. Women are awesome.

The detransition event is here

You can buy supporter tickets for the event. This means that a free ticket can be given to other detransitioners who could not otherwise afford to attend. Good way of showing support.

LangCleg · 05/10/2019 11:27

As long as you believe in gendered souls, the rest follows, more or less. But detransitioners are the living proof that there are no gendered souls

Exactly.

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ChattyLion · 05/10/2019 11:36

Sunlight and fresh air. Parliament needs to act to put statutory regulation onto these ‘treatments’ being proposed for increasing numbers of children. These young people are so brave to speak up. But their suffering was avoidable, they should not have been put in this situation in the first place. Doctors and their child patients are being lobbied by a self interested, adult political lobby to push gender non conforming kids innone direction only- not investing in talking therapy and support- but rushing into permanent health effects from puberty stopping medication, taking opposite sex hormones and surgery. Where is the evidence that this even helps these children? And if they change their minds what support is there for them?

Redshoeblueshoe · 05/10/2019 11:44

I saw this and I was impressed by the language used. So Joe Public would actually understand what was being said. They also mentioned autism.

TerfTalk · 05/10/2019 11:52

Sky News love an argument, so if they do decide to run with this issue, I can imagine we will see lots of debates on it. Smile

Redshoeblueshoe · 05/10/2019 11:58

Terf everything else Sky News has done has been very one sided.
Although I do remember a fine video of Posie owning a certain Doctor.
I'm sure someone will post it. Grin

tobee · 05/10/2019 12:01

This story just popped up as "Breaking News" on my sky news app; so even more prominent.

Doyoumind · 05/10/2019 12:13

Glad to see this getting coverage.

JP has been getting very angry on twitter about it and claiming Charlie never really transitioned. As proof, JP has posted a picture of Charlie looking feminine as proof she couldn't have been living as a man.

Literally every day we see men claiming to be living as women who have beards and look nothing like women but we are told it's their inner identity and not outer presentation that counts 🤔 We aren't allowed to question someone's identity ever and certainly not based on their looks. More illogical logic.

Popchyk · 05/10/2019 12:30

I do hope Charlie is careful about her security.

She is evidence of the harms of the trans ideology. She is an apostate. And she has gone public. She has followers. She is female.

Those five things make her a target of the True Believers.

feelingverylazytoday · 05/10/2019 12:45

I always knew transing children would be the sticking point, along with putting rapists in women's prisons and 'transwomen' in women's sports. All of these things are indefensible, unless you want to look like a massive arsehole of course. And most people don't.

TerfTalk · 05/10/2019 13:06

Who is JP?

Popchyk · 05/10/2019 13:20

Julie Bindel on Twitter:

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1180446324572991488

Those concerned about girls and young women being led down the trans path despite being simply non-conforming and same sex attracted should have a look at the work of Dr Stuart Lorimer
@GenderCareDrL

Several young women who regret starting on testosterone tell me that he used to advertise on Tumblr"

Lorimer runs a private practice called Gender Care.

Also works for the NHS Gender Identity Clinic at Charing Cross as a consultant psychiatrist.

HandsOffMyRights · 05/10/2019 13:22

I'm so pleased that Charlie has spoken out and I hope they are being well supported.

This is a child abuse scandal and I just hope this article can save other children from going through such pain and misery.

Any adult who endorses this and exploits children and their families is an abuser.

HandsOffMyRights · 05/10/2019 13:24

I know Tavi was mentioned upthread but have Mermaids or the Webberley's responded yet?

HandsOffMyRights · 05/10/2019 13:24

Webberleys.

OldCrone · 05/10/2019 13:31

Several young women who regret starting on testosterone tell me that he used to advertise on Tumblr
gendercare.tumblr.com/
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170116192938/gendercare.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20170116192938/gendercare.tumblr.com/

Glenthebattleostrich · 05/10/2019 13:33

@Doctorallcome, do you have a citation for that figure please? I'd happily respond to the person lying about trans suicide rates

ChattyLion · 05/10/2019 13:37

As soon as this charity is started, I look forward to NHS information pages, Mermaids, Stonewall, all the various Prides, NSPCC, all the many other places that reference organisations to do with this issue, all including this new charity’s details and referring to the likelihood of desisting/detransitioning.
If they do not do so, then we will really know what the true agenda is.

MarianaMoatedGrange · 05/10/2019 13:44

Horrific and totally predictable outcome of the madness prevailing.

Datun · 05/10/2019 13:53

If they do not do so, then we will really know what the true agenda is.

Exactly. They will, as always, incriminate themselves. It's unavoidable.

LangCleg · 05/10/2019 14:04

Those concerned about girls and young women being led down the trans path despite being simply non-conforming and same sex attracted should have a look at the work of Dr Stuart Lorimer

Lily Maynard wrote a disturbing blog about this bloke.

lilymaynard.com/gendercare-dr-lorimer-brings-all-the-transboys-to-the-yard/

How a psychiatrist does not see any problem with such cultish behaviour around him absolutely defeats me. He makes me shudder.

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 05/10/2019 14:16

I'll donate to any charity like the one the young woman mentioned starting.

Doyoumind · 05/10/2019 14:19

Handsoff, mimmymum has been tweeting. Nothing official from Mermaids.

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