Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

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RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

I have to say though, "less reasonable than Joss Prior" is a standard that not everyone can reach so well done there Rachel.

What was this straw that broke the camel's back and caused McKinnon to block Prior?

JP was tweeting earlier about RM being a dick and clearly RM found out.

All we are saaayiiing, is Give Dick A Chance!

Which has been Prior's angle previously, so I'm curious as to what caused the falling out with McKinnon.

Just because rules ... ??

Or

a) two egos, one space

b) it's ok to tell us 'cis' women (preferably the lesbian ones) to "give dick a chance"

c) it's not ok to tell transwomen or NBs or transbians or xyz to give dick a chance cos muh oppression

d) And anyway it's not dick it's ladydick because ummm

So

e) so you should totally give dick a chance because pan is the only moral standpoint and fur q if you're ummm

OK I give up at this point. I can't even.

But I'm happy to provide popcorn and gin cos them I understand

I'm in as long as I don't have to give gin a chance...

All we are saaayiiing, is Give Dick A Chance!

Prodigal that is a great summing-it-all-up TRA counter-protest meme or chant you’ve got there.

They bring ‘Burn it Down!’ ‘Burn it Down!’ and scream ‘TERFs out!’ while trying to kick the windows in. And ‘I Just Want to Pee in Peace’

Women offer a helping hand : ‘All youuu are saaayiiing, is Give Dick A Cha-ance’.

What about less reasonable than RM? Is that a unique position held by JY? I feel this may be a useful scale with Magdalen Berns at the other end.

This is gold 😂😂😂

The Monitors will not be liking this thread one little bit.

Oh, I'm sure I'll be getting a stern email as soon as the morning crew arrive.

There will end up being just one pure, pansexual TRA, probably living up a mountain, with everybody else blocked for being T**Fs.

What I cannot grasp, is that TRA's bleat on about 'fetishisizing vaginas' (TRA code for being an actual lesbian) like this is ng .abhorrent, but will celebrate and push for the rights of people fetishizing 'pup play', kink displays in public, cross dressing, wanking in your work toilets and broadcasting it etc. It boggles my mind

I read the Google Doc they shared.

Oh. My. God.

It's even worse than I thought - they actually can't string together a coherent argument.

I'll be ignoring xxx let's just assume xxx for the sake of this paper xxx at its most literal sense the word means xxx irrespective of context xxx.

Doing the above means the result of such "search" has no quantifiable significance and can't be taken seriously.

And the cheap shot comparisons are laughable especially from someone considered an academic. For example, RM states:

"Homophobic men say things like, ‘I just think a man having sex with another man is just disgusting. I mean, how do they even do it?’ and Lesbophobic people, even if only out if ignorance, ask things like, ‘How do lesbians even have sex? Do they just, like, scissor or something?’"

OBVIOUSLY the first comment would be almost exclusively thought of us homophobic. I am a bisexual woman and in no realm whatsoever would I consider someone "lesbophobic" for not knowing how two women have sex. My mum would ask this and she fucking loves me!

The pretend person quoted by and cast as lesbophobic RM above has no real life concept of it, no experience of it and has cast no negative assumptions on it - they are neutrally ignorant about it which is no moral blight on their character. They do not have an innate responsibility to know how all other pairings of people fuck.

My mum is kind and open minded, is she a somethingphobe for not knowing what spitroasting is?

Absolute attention seeking twaddle.

What I cannot grasp, is that TRA's bleat on about 'fetishisizing vaginas' (TRA code for being an actual lesbian) like this is ng .abhorrent, but will celebrate and push for the rights of people fetishizing 'pup play', kink displays in public, cross dressing, wanking in your work toilets and broadcasting it etc. It boggles my mind

Oh the whole basis of debate is completely unequal in all ways.

I have the absolute right to define myself and have that definition accepted without exception to be my authentic self.... but you may absolutely not define yourself and expect equal respect, such as calling yourself a homosexual woman or an adult human female because reasons.

Frequent argument on multiple threads: I am just putting forward alternative views which you are unable to tolerate - and I'm putting those views forward because I can't tolerate your views, and what I actually mean is not that everyone should be welcome to speak equally but that you should defer to me and agree when I speak, but I shouldn't need to behave the same way to you and your views. Because reasons.

The importance is inclusivity and love based choices....which include excluding vulnerable women from any services at all so that male born people can have full freedom of choice, and distressing and intimidating many women whose voices should be ignored. And this is ok because reasons.

The reasons don't stand up because the essential core belief is that some people are important and others are not. That's not a world view I'm going to get on board with ever.

I have the absolute right to define myself and have that definition accepted without exception to be my authentic self.... but you may absolutely not define yourself and expect equal respect, such as calling yourself a homosexual woman or an adult human female because reasons.

Yes I think when people see this it's often that they suddenly realise that it's not about their perceived oppression, it's about control and power.

Shit @Michelleoftheresistance you've actually hit the nail on the head with this:

I have the absolute right to define myself and have that definition accepted without exception to be my authentic self.... but you may absolutely not define yourself and expect equal respect, such as calling yourself a homosexual woman or an adult human female because reasons.

I am just putting forward alternative views which you are unable to tolerate - and I'm putting those views forward because I can't tolerate your views, and what I actually mean is not that everyone should be welcome to speak equally but that you should defer to me and agree when I speak, but I shouldn't need to behave the same way to you and your views. Because reasons

That ACTUALLY is what they're saying isn't it?! Thank you for writing it in a way that much better explains the ridiculousness that you and I (and hearteningly even former RM supporters / apologists) can see crystal clear.

Claiming oppression by claiming to be the oppressed, in turn claiming those oppressed by this claim of oppression have no right to describe themselves as such.

I'm more and more seeing that the issue is you can't argue with a narcissist. It doesn't matter that their opinion doesn't make sense because their opinion is the only one that matters at all. And if anyone can't see that, they are stupid and not worthy of engaging in an actual debate with the narcissist. Aka blocked on Twitter, the most adult of ways to show the word you are an intellect colossus not to be questioned.

And RM says mumsnet is an echo chamber...

It would be funny if it wasn't so damaging.

Yes. Calling people fetishists in any other context is "kink shaming".

I suppose in this logic, trans widows must be the ultimate bigots. I just wasn't open minded enough to overcome my penis fetish, when it became clear that he didn't intend to have a penis for much longer.

And RM says mumsnet is an echo chamber...

These people will say anything to discredit MN because they know many people who post on here have had the realisation you describe when they've been able to discuss it freely in a female centred way, rather than having to tiptoe around the feelings of aggressive transactivists who permit #nodebate.

Look at all the pitiful hatchet jobs done on MN by woke publications, when supposedly we are an irrelevant minority fringe who should be ignored. Why bother?

What I cannot grasp, is that TRA's bleat on about 'fetishisizing vaginas' (TRA code for being an actual lesbian) like this is ng .abhorrent, but will celebrate and push for the rights of people fetishizing 'pup play', kink displays in public, cross dressing, wanking in your work toilets and broadcasting it etc

Fetish is yet another word the trans privilege brigade do not understand the meaning of.

Frankly they all appear to have severe literacy problems and should probably start learning the English language again from scratch. Your average toddler has a better grasp.

What they do is the classic of taking words and terms we use and turning it around and using it, of course.

What I got to thinking though was if you are a lesbian and you are supposed to have sex with a trans lesbian but not touch their dick (I saw this suggested somewhere on that thread but can't remember if it was RM who actually said it) then what the hell are you supposed to do with them? Have a quick fondle of their boobs and leave them to do the rest to you? It's not really having sex is it?

The whole idea is nonsense is because I actually get turned on by particular genitals and so does everyone, of course, whatever their orientation. If you aren't turned on, you aren't turned on.

Apologies if this has already been pointed out.

In the metamorphosis-sis link above RM says:
Even for the few girls I had sex with after my ex-wife, I very rarely orgasmed during sex. That means that I faked 95%+ of the orgasms. Sex in that role (with those genitals) never felt right

That seems to contradict the claims in the RM tweets at the start of this post. Is RM a genital fetishist (or whatever they call it)?

Well, RM is pansexual, lesbian and asexual, aliasundercover so I would take it all with a huge pinch of salt anyway.

Always best to remember that McKinnon's entire 'academic' career is based on 'making shit up'.

There's a particular type of men who like having sex with women, but not in what they see as a Man's role, isn't there? But my comments about them tend to get deleted.