Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

[Doyoumind]

RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

We're eventually going to end up with a situation where 99% of Twitter has been added to a TERF blocklist and the remaining 1% are eyeing each other up suspiciously and scouring old tweets for evidence of wrongthink that hasn't been noticed yet. While arguing that most people agree with them really and if they can just get all the TERFs banned then...I dunno, maybe a door to Narnia opens or something.

To the PP who asked, no, they haven't turned on Haddock. They are rallying around him.

Titiana picking up in it is good because it puts it in front of a much bigger audience than RM would normally reach.

By which I mean the community rallying around him and not RM.

Maybe he needs to admit that he was transphobic, thank RM for educating him, and promise to do better in future.

RM and Haddock seem to fall over themselves to applaud bravery in every sentence, but they're pretty fucking cowardly when it comes to explaining why it's one rule for them and one rule for everyone else.

Exhibit A

RM - gender reassignment surgery is vital to many trans women who feel their genitals do not reflect their self identified gender, meaning genitalia is intrinsically linked to our sense of self

Also RM - if you place any importance on genitals and make them intrinsically linked to gender you are a transphobe and if you don't want to fuck someone because of their genitalia you are a transphobe

Exhibit B

AH - if gay WOMEN don't want to shag a trans person because of their genitals they are transphobes

Also AH - if I and other gay MEN don't want to shag a trans person because of their genitals, we are well within our rights to say no, you should never force someone to have sex with someone when they don't want to

In honour of them and their unwavering commitment to utter self indulgence, do you know who I think is brave?

Me. Because I was raped. By a man. With a penis. You know why it was rape? Because I didn't consent. It's a pretty simple concept really.

I honestly don't know if I'm really fucking angry or really fucking sad about this shit getting more and more unbelievable. I flit between the two.

The terrible thing is I've always thought how lovely it would be to have a daughter and instil in her that she can be anything she wants to be. Now I kind of hope I have a son instead. How sad is that.

Oh lord this is painful. Watching Harrop trying to work out how to admit he knows exactly what a man is and that he does exclusively fancy men without being burned as a witch.... I'm almost sorry for him.

The incoherent ranting of the individual he quotes... I'm honestly done with anyone who thinks like this and has this much time on their hands to disappear this far up their own behinds. Do whatever you want. Be as hard work as you want. I and reality will be over here, and we're busy thanks, so please be insane quietly.

It’s like watching a dog trying to do maths.

I do genuinely feel sorry for Harrop. He's now struggling to rationalise gay = transphobic. It isn't easy to deal with cognitive dissonance, especially so when so much of your identity is enmeshed with it.

I also feel sorry for Rachel, who is only laying out clearly the underlying premise of trans ideology; The doc has at least being open, clear and consistent.

If one is to accept the maxim that transwomen are women and transmen are men, then any form of sexuality other than 'pansexual' is, by definition, trans exclusionary. Seems pretty clear to me.

@ThatCurlyGirl

you should never force someone to have sex with someone when they don't want to

Yeah, what he clearly meant to say here is you should never force any MAN

So sorry to hear what you went through aswell, you are the brave one

This is brilliant.

Naomi Wolf is getting into it with Titania McGrath on Twitter.

Wolf is #TeamMcKinnon.

twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1179379426758418432

"The shameful anti-trans movement in the UK has connections with the US Koch-funded Heritage Foundation and its cynical manufacturing of hatred should be examined very critically".

Titania:

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1179383807562125312

"I totally agree, Doctor Wolf.

Anyone who claims that women don’t have testicles must be part of a secret cynical network of evil cynical conservatives who use cynical manufacturing techniques to manufacture hatred in a cynical way.

#ExamineThemNow

at UK feminists being funded by cock.

Thank you @AryaStarkWolf that was really nice to read

And I meant to say the other day there was a glimmer of hope from my cousin, a brilliant and thoughtful eleven year old boy.

Picked him up from school and he said that day some girls had gotten a bollocking for swearing at a group of older boys whispering about their boobs (GIVE ME STRENGTH) he said:

"It was quite brave of (girl's name) and her friends to stand up to older boys who are a bit scary. The thing is boys don't really need to be as brave as girls coz everything's easier for them."

My instant reaction - utter pride that he gets it and respects girls for standing up to sexual harassment.

My next reaction - shit, how sad is it that he and his schoolmates are already witnessing sexual harassment and girls being punished for fighting it because apparently telling a boy to piss off (not even swearing tbh) is worse than talking about a girls tits, even when she is at school supposedly in a safe place.

And my next reaction - bloody hell my eleven year old cousin understands sexual harassment, sexism and society's expectations of men and women more than the powers that be.

FML.

girl golfing stepho is so deluded. Their "trans positive" message was to behave in an obnoxious troll like way.
I will never forget the extra sock puppets and rape threats that appeared on those threads as well. Poor Carro. Similar stuff happened on the kwiw thread on Hayden.

Really creepy and mumsnet staff did well.

Grey rock, grey rock. Arrghhh

The thing is boys don't really need to be as brave as girls coz everything's easier for them.

Indeed. This must be why 4x as many young men kill themselves.

So just to clarify my understanding according to the gospel of RM:

1. Man is just a concept that means whatever anyone wants it to mean. There is no official definition to be able to confirm that that is the name of the person-type that I like (big men with dicks who can use them to get erections and penetrate me).

1. Because 'man' means anything and everything, I should like all people who call themselves men, even if they have physical attributes I am not remotely interested in (e.g a vagina).

1. Not wanting sex with the person with a vagina person makes me a reprehensible transphobe and I need to learn to accept vagina.

Batshit isn't the word for it.

Ugh that Naomi Wolf thread.

I’m also really starting to see that guilt trip ‘feminist’ critique to the reasoned objections that GC woman are making, that these objections are ‘splitting the left’.. as the exact same shit as ‘if you loved me, you would....’.

Well maybe ‘the left’, maybe if you try being a bit less dickish and actually take women’s views on board then you wouldn’t be losing activist female support like this?

@LordRandallXV

Indeed. This must be why 4x as many young men kill themselves.

I agree that it is absolutely terrible that there is such an issue with suicide in young men, it's heartbreaking.

But you saying that in response to my previous post would be like me saying "well one in five women will be sexually assaulted at least once in their life". One doesn't outdo the other, they are both terrible.

I've lost a couple of male friends to suicide and I don't think they'd like to have seen their struggles weaponised in response to a post about girls being sexually harassed at school to be honest.

The fact your response showed a total lack of empathy makes it even less productive.

Well, you brought men into it by saying you were proud of your son saying that they "have it easy". 🤷‍♀️

My cousin not my son.

And I said easier not easy.

Good job not attempting to acknowledge any of the points I made at all and instead opting for an accusatory and almost literal "well you started it".

Nevermind!

CurlyGirl - give your cousin a "Well done" from me. Already showing more intelligence and maturity than any number of people four times his age.

As for Naomi Wolf, is she thick or what?

It's very sad that while I was keen to agree with you that the suicide statistics related to young men are heartbreaking, but you found yourself unable to muster even an acknowledgment of the statistics regarding sexual assaults on women.

My last post was to @LordRandallXV obviously.

’So in the spirit of “finding common ground” will you now be apologising to all the lesbians you called “TERFS” for the same “hate crime” you now stand accused of?'

He’ll never answer that. But I hope the question is secretly tormenting him.

I wonder what he thinks about Stonewall erasing the concept of same-sex attraction?

One suicide is one too many. Men 'successfully' killing themselves is a terrible scourge. But do bear in mind that suicide prevention in this country is in fact a success story, in recent years things overall are getting better. Also that suicide attempts remain higher among women than men.

Crying into my coffee?! What a weird thing to say. I don't think you're making as much sense or as many actual points as you think you are. I'm not guilt shaming you, you are doing just fine shaming yourself. Bye bye