Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

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RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

I dont know if it has already been discussed but Rachey's talk on transgender people and sport which was happening in mid-October seems to have been cancelled.

Lack of ticket sales apparently. I had been considering taking one for the team, but £25 seemed a bit steep.

(Alternative explanation. People got worried that Rachey might find them attractive, so were scared to attend....)

Didn’t the cancellation coincide with their celebratory tweets about Magdalen moving in to palliative care?

And the fact they sold 2 tickets to feminists and one to their mate. Ok they may have sold 8... the organisers pulled it because of lack of interest.

I know RM was talking about a rescheduled or new talk recently on Twitter but I can't be bothered to wade back to find it.

I don't know the actual figures but I did notice that yesterday RM's followers numbered well over 9,700. I think they are down by about 100 in 24 hours. Not a huge number and some of them will be people RM blocked but I also think some people have seen the light.

Oh, RM makes all sorts of people see the light. Another thread had me musing whether, but for the efforts of this magnificent Sherpa, would an international legend like Martina Navratilova be commenting on (not) single-sex NHS wards?

errol

That’s exactly what i was thinking!!

Or to be more exact i was thinking that if someone like martina says something quite sensible and then gets an almighty pile on by a bunch of nobodies spouting a load of crap...

Well...a woman like martina doesnt back down. She starts paying MUCH more attention, to everything

Pissing her off is an epic fail

Looking at scrimshaw's screenshot where Rachel is saying that "yellow fever" is immoral...what about lesbian fever, Rachel? Because you've got it bad.

RMcK makes the Post Millennial.

www.thepostmillennial.com/trans-athlete-claims-lesbians-are-transphobic-for-not-liking-penises/

Trans athlete claims lesbians are transphobic for not liking penises

“Okay, sure! Makes total sense. The only problem is that sexual attraction isn’t logical. Sexual attraction is not really a mind over matter enterprise. Sexual attraction is not a human characteristic that falls under the heading of rationalism.

In fact, the gay rights movement was able to gain mainstream societal acceptance precisely due to the claim that homosexuality is not a choice, but an innate characteristic, just like heterosexuality, or green eyes. If McKinnon, Dennis, and others who rail against the “cotton ceiling” want to overturn the idea that sexuality is innate, they might find themselves on unstable ground in the fight for trans acceptance. Once a thread is pulled, the whole sweater unravels.”

As an aside cos it’s not worth a thread but it is worth a lol and this thread is commenting on Twitter info...

Steph and co on why trans-positive accounts / topics are banned by MN - tis Justine’s fault of course.

mobile.twitter.com/flyinglawyer73/status/1179154696134692869

mobile.twitter.com/TheWolfSpirit1/status/1179066584436006912

"Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this"

we.....a leftwinger?

Hayden still trying to pretend they didn't get banned for repeatedly breaking talk guidelines and harrassing MNers by following them around threads?

What a loser.

Any kind of objection to having sex with anyone, dating, being attracted to anyone is both a normal part of life and crucially, should be taken as final, sufficient, and not a license to treat the objector badly or call them silly names like ‘transphobic!’

Women have heard all this before that if they don’t have sex with their reputation will be trashed and also we have heard it all before that our ‘No’ to sex is somehow negotiable.

This is probably why women of an age have no time to indulge this creepy shit, we have had years of our consent being tried to be undermined or being pushed aside. Fuck that.

Only men say this shit to guilt trip and frighten women into letting them be fucked when the women doesn't want to be. It’s a disgusting rapists’ attitude and treats women like interchangeable pieces of meat. No agency is allowed for anyone else except for the man who feels he needs to fuck someone.

Showing this level of disgusting sexual entitlement really doesn’t reflect well on the politics of genderism. The misogyny and lesbophobia is so clear.

It also brings to mind other scenarios of consent in this cultural context.
Like the prospect of surrogacy and consent. It’s currently being proposed by the Law Commission (a government body that recommends legal change to government) that women who agree to act as surrogates (who could be as young as 18 [hmmm] ) will have only 2-4 weeks immediately after the birth to say if they change their mind and keep the baby.

They are currently consulting the public on this, there are lots of FWR threads on it. It closes next week, so anyone with a view on this should respond to the consultation because it is very important to let them know what women think.

There is an entitlement and lack of respect for women’s agency and consent in various of these proposals.

When I turn down sex I could be in any kind of state and I still expect my ‘no’ to be sufficient. I do not expect to have anyone make a legal issue of it.

When I have just had a baby 2-4 weeks ago and am looking after a newborn, and either of me or the baby may be ill, or you know, I just may be really fucking tired and busy and sore and depressed, struggling with feeding, or whatever, i do not expect to have to get lawyered up to be able to keep the baby if that’s what I want.

The idea that prior consent should be binding even when circumstances change is very sinister.

It sets out to put women’s bodies at the service of men’s sexual entitlement and at the service of (everyone’s?) entitlement to ask a women to risk her mental and physical health to build them a baby, birth it and then give it away, with no choice about this is allowed for the woman.

So how does it go?

I don’t want to have sex with you
Is it because I’m a man/woman/have a penis?
No, it’s because you are a complete arse

Chatty the more I look into surrogacy the more I see there are dark forces of men's rights and big business pushing for this.
At one of the consultations I went to there was a (presumably het) couple of hopeful parents. The aggressive level of entitlement from the man was extraordinary as he argued against my complaints that 18 was too young to be a surrogate, my concern about the woman Dustin Lance Black interviewed who had had 13 surrogate babies (women can do that naturally so what's the problem?) and more.

This really isn't about sisters and best friends doing a wonderful thing for each other. That is just the Trojan horse.

So we just have to shag whoever or whatever and not have any preference on their genitals.

How are we meant to decide who to shag, I wonder. Flip a coin? Fuck anyone who asks? Preemptively offer, like "just so you know, I'm an ally, so if you fancied a quick one..."?

I’m beginning to think a firm ‘I’m not telling’ is a good response to gender/sex questions. Let them work it out.

It should certainly rule out any genital assignment surgery, of course. How can you start expressing a preference for any kind of genitals to the extent where you will have surgery on them, if it's transphobic as fuck.

Maybe a questionnaire would be a good idea. And photos of relevant anatomy parts and medical history.

The wheels on the bus go round and round (for several years, screeching "preferences are transphobic!" the whole time) and then go flying off, at which point they then start to circle back like boomerangs and a few of the brighter TRAs go "shit, wait, do you think maybe trying to extend our reign of sexual terror to straight men too was a bit of an overstep?"

Not Rachel, though!

It should certainly rule out any genital assignment surgery, of course. How can you start expressing a preference for any kind of genitals to the extent where you will have surgery on them, if it's transphobic as fuck.

I think Big Rach is with you on that one, Datun!

Well...a woman like martina doesnt back down

I've come to realise that "WWMD" works for many situations.

Applies to either Martina or Magdelen too - bonus!

GirlDownUnder RMcK makes the Post Millennial.
www.thepostmillennial.com/trans-athlete-claims-lesbians-are-transphobic-for-not-liking-penises/

That article links to a tweet by 'Jennifer', and Rachy re the Cotton Ceiling: twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1179012560550531072

I read the other tweets in that thread.
Note the highlighted word that gives away Rachy's game.

Shorter Rachel's new friend - "Shut up about the cotton ceiling, you idiot! Just when we'd almost managed to convince the Woke Youth that it was something the evil witches made up..."

Titania McGrath now introducing McKinnon to a new audience.

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1179199295431593984

"Dr McKinnon is SO right. Genitals have literally nothing to do with sexual attraction.

In fact, if a straight man refuses to suck a female penis, that just proves he’s actually gay".

I think we should all be encouraging McKinnon to keep talking. Loudly.