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Trans 7 year old legally changes name on BC and passport.

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PennysPocket · 22/09/2019 08:46

I won't link the story as the child is named and there are photographs but it's easy enough to find.

This child is 7 yo ffs.
They preferred girls clothes and girls toys since the age of 3 so therefore they must be a girl.
The mum is very excited about introducing puberty blockers in a few years Hmm

The same paper is running a story highlighting the outrage that a 16 yo was offered lip fillers at several Harley Street clinics cos ya know its ILLEGAL for under 18s to have cosmetic surgery or a tattoo but puberty blockers are totally fine...

Why are we allowing this shit?
Why is it OK for 7 yo to make life changing choices but a 16 yo can't get lip fillers?

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ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 22/09/2019 12:38

WHY do girls wear skirts but boys must wear trousers? WHY can girls have long hair at school but boys can’t?

Can schools in England insist on these things? By which I mean state schools obviously, private schools can set any silly rules they wish, but do state schools not have a legal obligation to educate?

I was confused by the whole banning girls wearing skirts at school thread as it simply wouldn't be possible up here. School uniform is a convention but not legally enforceable in under 16s. Every school I am familiar with has a disclaimer on their uniform policy along the lines of 'if you choose for your child not to wear uniform their education and especially entrance to exams will not be adversely effected'.

skql · 22/09/2019 12:39

@pota2

that's the ideal. i agree with you.

but it feels like some trap.(sorry bad english. i can't properly explain what i think. :( ...

but now this situation if boy wear skirts,
teacher ,social woker, peer think he's a girl.
and they put him in direct one way trans train.
and parents have no choice.
and the whole thing -gender neutral-transgender thing-is somekind of scenario.

and "why people think it's ok to boys be in girls sports?"
going yutube, kids literally think "boy=girl"
young generation think 'girls are strong as boys!
is that good?
and they says "try harder." for woman athlete.

maybe we have to teach them some difference between boy and girl.
and then teach them 'girl/boy can do anything.'
and give them some pride to be boy/girl.

(sorry my english is bad)

butteryellow · 22/09/2019 12:47

Somewhere else in the fail there's a story about Megan Fox (woman who was in Transformers), and her kids - one of whom happily wears dresses to school occasionally, or as halloween costume, visiting Disneyland etc.

He husband and her are completely fine with all of it - they sound totally chill - he wants to wear a dress sometimes, so he wears a dress sometimes.

I know which attitude sounds more sensible to me.

teawamutu · 22/09/2019 12:50

I'm not entirely doubting that the poor child had expressed the wish to be a girl at 3,but I imagine it went more like:
Mummy, I want to play with the dolls.

Nono darling, those are for girls. Boys play football.

OK, I'm a girl mummy.

Toddlers are EXTREMELY literal.

I have gentle little boys who love baking and hate sport and quite like wearing pink. Guess I'd better get myself off to Mermaids and Primark, then.

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 12:54

skql the whole point of being gender critical is to break down stereotypes. Otherwise you are not gender critical. If you think a skirt is only for girls and a boy can never wear one that is not being gender critical. Your solution would be to tell the little boy in this article that he can never wear a princess dress because it’s not for him. Not much better than the mum’s solution.

At school, there is no need to:
Have different uniform for boys and girls
Have different hair requirements for boys and girls
Divide boys and girls for anything other than sports (after about age 10) and toilet/changing room
Have rules about whether boys or girls can join certain clubs (other than sports)
Have girls toys and boys toys

But make clear to kids that it is impossible to change sex and that nobody should need to because there is nothing that boys can do that girls can’t in terms of toys, jobs etc.

teawamutu · 22/09/2019 12:55

Twitter comments and ratio are excellent - was this particularly good example one of you lot?

Mum says "it would have been wrong to let (the kid) live a lie".

Where is the truth in telling a little boy that they can change their sex? Let kids be kids. Why push them to conform to gender stereotypes? Let them grow up and figure themselves out in their own time.

HermioneWeasley · 22/09/2019 12:56

The mother is batshit and abusive.

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 12:56

butteryellow sounds so much more sensible that Charlize Theron who refers to her son as her daughter.

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 12:56

*than

Orangepearl · 22/09/2019 13:06

Stillathing what a brilliant post, just how I see it.

youkiddingme · 22/09/2019 13:08

Do schools still have different rules for dress and hair for girls and boys while at the same time accommodating the fact that kids can self ID and need mixed toilets? So you can pick your name, gender, and what loo you want but can't pick your clothes unless you say you are trans?

Oliversmumsarmy · 22/09/2019 13:08

Friends 3 year old DD thinks she is a dinosaur.

Do we put her in the British Museum as the only living donosaur.

It would be wrong to let her live a lie

Orangepearl · 22/09/2019 13:10

I think also in some cases it’s about the parents wanting to be seen to have ‘a girl’ or a ‘boy’.

Don’t want to be seen out with a boy called Thomas wearing dresses it’s all too confusing for them!

teawamutu · 22/09/2019 13:19

I note, without comment, that the mother's twitter bio describes her as being obsessed with Disney.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 13:30

This ain’t a fairy tale

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 13:30

Yuk - isn’t

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 13:33

teamwamutu very telling.

And Orange, absolutely and seems to be the case here. When she had a boy she immediately decks him out in a full male football kit before he even knows what football is. Yet she herself is ‘girlie’ and ‘loves Disney’ and no doubt believes quite strongly in gender stereotypes. She is kid’s sole parent. Kid starts liking things she likes but she says he must like boy things. Kid gets confused. She feels it’s easier if kid is a girl.

Also telling that the grandma yelled at the mum that ‘I can’t take him out in a dress’. So whole family seems quite attached to gender stereotypes and no doubt burden is lifted now they can say kid is a girl.

Orangepearl · 22/09/2019 13:50

Yes this. This is the problem! It’s poor education.

She loves Disney well there you go.

Datun · 22/09/2019 14:11

How does a child dress up as a mum or a sister? Jeans and jumper maybe? Or something else? And how does that differ from a dad or brother?

Presumably they wear a pinny and play in the kitchen.

Tells you all you need to know.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 14:19

Unless she meant role player a female role. Which is utter nonsense as ‘evidence’ - my sister always role played a boy and she made me do so too!

Propertyofhood · 22/09/2019 14:42

I agree with teawamutu. There must have been gender stereotypes being enforced in the household for that 'boy/girl' discussion to come up.

Many 3 year olds barely have a comprehension of the differences between boys and girls outside of gender stereotypes. They may well know that boys have a penis and girls have a vulva (not in those words usually), but then to be honest, if a 3 year old child was saying that he was really a girl because he had a hatred of his penis, then I would be suspecting that something else, some sort of abuse, was going on.

However, in this article there is no mention of that. Its all about the little boy saying that he is 'really a girl' because he likes dresses and girls toys.

MoltenLasagne · 22/09/2019 14:42

When I see these articles about transition it always makes me feel as though sexual inversion has raised its head as an ideology again.

Lesbians and gay men fought hard to reject the idea that they were not “inverts” but just as real women and men as everyone else. How the hell has it become progressive to go back to the 1930s?!

NatashasDance · 22/09/2019 14:44

Somewhere else in the fail there's a story about Megan Fox (woman who was in Transformers), and her kids - one of whom happily wears dresses to school occasionally, or as halloween costume, visiting Disneyland etc.

Just a couple of asides.

This gushing article with no comments allowed is in the Sunday Mirror, not the Mail stable. If it were in the Mail it is likely that comments would be allowed- and they would not be supportive of the mother.

The Mail stable regularly reports on incidents of violence towards women and children which the liberal media ignores.

The assumption that the Mail and the right wing media are not to be touched is part of why this mess exists.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 22/09/2019 14:45

There was a case where a male child was being cared for by the mum who decided that Dave was Doris.

Dave never said he wanted to be a girl but mum decided he was indeed a girl (this child was older than 7 I think). As this was news to the estranged dad (and probably Dave) he took mum to court to gain custody of the child and Mermaids (for it was they who were ‘helping’ mum turn Dave to Doris) were told to back off and were banned from contact.

It was in the papers - maybe last year?

Pota2 · 22/09/2019 15:06

There was a case a few years ago where the mum with the help of mermaids was convinced the boy was a transgirl. It went to court and the court found that the mum was emotionally abusive. The boy went to live with his dad and immediately stopped ‘wanting’ to present as female.