Parents objecting to male nursery staff changing nappies

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www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-world/news/1168681/parents-uncomfortable-with-male-practitioners-changing-their-childs-nappy

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The male staff are usually the key workers who would normally change nappies but some parents object.

I'm not a safeguarding expert but presumably the same rules and policies apply to both sexes of staff? How can a nursery as an employer discriminate duties on the basis of sex, or would this fall under the exemptions (ie asking for same-sex person to do intimate care) where the child is female? I'm a bit muddled about this.

My son had male nursery key workers who were great role models.

I find a lot of the posts on this thread surprising and, honestly, plainly disgusting.
Most of the youth stabbings, that is such a concern at the moment, are committed by kids who are not white, so by your twisted logic....

I was taking to a group of women the other day about a teenage boy we all know peripherally who is looking for work as a babysitter. They were all saying they wouldn't use him - but in an embarrassed way, as though they were being really silly.

I happen to know that one of those women was sexually assaulted by a teenage male babysitter when she was nine. But she was still doing this 'oh I'm not sure why, I just wouldn't be quite comfortable. I'm sure it would be fine really' thing.

It was really interesting. They were all denying their instincts to be kind and nice and 'inclusive'. Even the one who had been hurt in the exact same circumstance.

They were so relieved when I pointed out that 98% of sexual crime is committed by men. It was like I had given them permission to say no.

Aurora exactly! There is a disproportionate number of black men in prison compared to the general population. I’d like to hear people say that they’re just stating a neutral fact when they say that black people are just more dangerous.

Most of the youth stabbings, that is such a concern at the moment, are committed by kids who are not white, so by your twisted logic...

That is the second time this analogy has been used on this thread and it is fucking racist frankly.

Who is doing these stabbings? Is it black women? Black women are a greater risk than white men are they?

Massive gangs of middle class black women roaming the streets in postcode gangs all tooled up are they?

I’d like to hear people say that they’re just stating a neutral fact when they say that black people are just more dangerous.

The worst thing is tgat you obviously think that is true. You obviously think black people are more dangerous than white people like men are more dangerous than women.

And they are not and that is racist

It's common knowledge that most sex offenders are male and the current statistics indicate at least 2 children per class are being sexually abused. Quite a lot really.

It is also common knowledge that institutional racism has existed in this country for like ever, so of course there is a disproportionate representation of black men in prison.

But the thing is that of men that are sex offenders around 60% are white, 30% black.

So? Statistically I would trust a black man more than a white man when it comes to unsupervised access to my preschooler

ShesDressed you’re an idiot from what I can read of your arguments. Don’t fucking call me racist.

A huge amount of CSA is committed by a parent or relative or even an older sibling. How do you propose dealing with that? Your dim arguments are so flimsy.

Whoah! Play the ball pota, not the man

If you don't want to be called racist then don't co-opt black people into your argument to prove a point by saying that black people are more likely to be criminals than white people. Because that is racist.
Have a think about it.

CSA is committed mostly by someone known to the child. I think that a nursery nurse falls in to that category as do teachers. But teachers have scant opportunities to root around in my DCs underwear

I didn’t say that did I? I said that your analogy is the same.

Well abuse by relatives forms a large part of CSA so maybe all people worried about nursery workers should also be worried about male partners and other male relatives performing intimate care. Where’s the difference?

I haven't made an analogy.

I have said that statistically men are far more of a risk to children than women are. That is a fact.

I have said that it is - IMO - stupid to pretend that that fact makes no difference in a childcare setting and unreasonable for people to dismiss the real concerns women on this thread and IRL have in relation to that fact.

I haven't said anything about abuse by relatives because that isn't what the thread is about.

Statistically boys are more likely to be abused buy aquaintances or strangers not family members. Also you risk assess in your own home as you can watch out for red flags . You cant risk assess the nursery workers as you are not there. We can only minimise risks not eliminate them . I minimise by not exposing my child to intimate care from a male nursery worker. Makes perfect sense to me.

Statistics are fairly meaningless when it comes to evaluating personal risk.

Statistically I am most likely to be harmed by my husband or a male relative or ex boyfriend.

However given that men I am close to have a long history of being totally harmless and not committing any violent acts I am about 100% certain that if I am ever attacked it will be by a stranger or passing acquaintance.

I minimise by not exposing my child to intimate care from a male nursery worker. Makes perfect sense to me.
You could make the risk even smaller by not leaving your child in a nursery at all.

Well, statistically, women are more likely to murder a baby or child than a man. But ooooooh lets reduce “risk” by only having female nursery workers because men are statistically more likely to do a bit of csa
It’s just an excuse to be sexist tbh.

Ontheblackhill and perfectpeony I agree. Dodgy men will gravitate to these jobs, yes women have committed these crimes but not in the same numbers.

Statistically boys are more likely to be abused buy aquaintances or strangers not family members

Really blackhill? I didn't know that. I have seen more stats on girls tbh so that comes as a surprise to me - I didn't realise it was so different between the sexes.

There is a lot of people on this thread who have 'sons' saying it wouldn't bother me.

I think the issue is mostly with those who have 'daughters' more so do you think. Just my opinion really

women are more likely to murder a baby or child than a man.

Is that any baby or their own baby? Genuine question.

US Department of Health and Human Services
NCANDS 2016 report
“The national estimate of children who received a child protective services investigation response or alternative response increased 9.5 percent from 2012 (3,172,000) to 2016 (3,472,000).1
The number and rate of victims have fluctuated during the past 5 years. Comparing the national rounded number of victims from 2012 (656,000) to the national estimate of victims in 2016 (676,000) shows an increase of 3.0 percent.
Three-quarters (74.8%) of victims were neglected, 18.2 percent were physically abused, and 8.5 percent were sexually abused.
For 2016, a nationally estimated 1,750 children died of abuse and neglect at a rate of 2.36 per 100,000 children in the national population.”

“More than one-half (53.7%) of perpetrators were women and 45.3 percent of perpetrators were men; 1.0 percent were of unknown sex”

Csa is the rarest form of child abuse and the only type where men are majority perpetrators. For all other forms of child abuse, and in total,
the majority of abusers are WOMEN not men.

Changing the subject but some of you can't spell for toffee!!

@ShesDressedInBlackAgain
“is that any baby or their own baby?”
Yes, to both.

We got round it by the male member of staff playing football ,and the female staff members doing nappies

You see that is the result of not letting men change nappies, the women get to change even more nappies.

Yes, good safeguarding needs to be in place, but children who do not have a father at home really benefit from male nursery nurses and teachers.

That is in respect of their OWN child. Not aware of a spate of women running around killing strangers babies....or indeed homicide by women in a childcare se

If that is US CPS though that would be their own children surely? I just can't think of ever hearing of women murdering babies they weren't in a parental relationship with.