Parents objecting to male nursery staff changing nappies

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www.nurseryworld.co.uk/nursery-world/news/1168681/parents-uncomfortable-with-male-practitioners-changing-their-childs-nappy

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The male staff are usually the key workers who would normally change nappies but some parents object.

I'm not a safeguarding expert but presumably the same rules and policies apply to both sexes of staff? How can a nursery as an employer discriminate duties on the basis of sex, or would this fall under the exemptions (ie asking for same-sex person to do intimate care) where the child is female? I'm a bit muddled about this.

My son had male nursery key workers who were great role models.

*@angell84 If I am not comfortable with a male doctor lookig at my bits, Why should I make my child have a strange man look at her bits?

OK, if you are going to assume that all adults are potentially predatory paedophiles/rapists/perverts then logically NO one should look at your daughters bits. (Including you) -

Thought experiment: let's suppose there are two carers in your child's playgroup. They are both gay. Would you be more happy to have the lesbian looking at your daughter's bits rather than the gay man?

Sandman angell84 merely said she was uncomfortable, you are the one leaping to the conclusion that she's talking about paedophiles/rapists/perverts. Why would that be?

There is such a thing as dignity. You seem to have a problem with women being accorded any.

So my take home message from this is that changing nappies is women's work.
Gotcha.

Well the take home.message should really be that MEN need to work on sorting this out. But they wont while women are happy to blame each other for behaviour that we have all been victim to fir insignificant portion of our lives.

Even now men are playing the victim over others feeling this way instead if actively condemning or speaking up about all the men who want to remove the right for women to say no and be safe.

Their first thought is "poor me" not anger or disgust at the men that have helped give them the poor name.

Where are they? Besides embracing the chance to opt out if basic parenting at home because of it?

Yy boob

The constant assumption that lesbians are basically the same as men. That they behave in the same way, and the use in arguments to force women to accept men in their spaces is sickening.

All this being eyed up and girl on girl action in the ladies is nothing more than male lesbian porn fantasy.

Most lesbians are not predatory by nature being women.

Well, most men aren't predatory by nature of being men either.
Even if more men are predatory than women, most men aren't.

One of the best, and a favourite of the children, at the nursery my child attended was a young male with a huge beard!

I would not want to be cared for by a man medically and for him to see me naked or touch me but people wonder why women feel uncomfortable with this for their children

Not every woman is as distrusting of male health professionals as you are. To not even want a man touching you is not the norm at all.

In any case, even sexual offenders are not necessarily paedophiles.

Thought experiment: let's suppose there are two carers in your child's playgroup. They are both gay. Would you be more happy to have the lesbian looking at your daughter's bits rather than the gay man?

First of all you sound like a very patronising person. Secondly, what does sexuality have to do with this? We are comparing men to woman, not comparing their sexual preference, unless you are saying their is a higher risk of a man or woman being a paedophile if they are gay?

Not every women is distrusting of Male health workers that is correct, but many are

Why are they though?

Because they’ve read a few stats? Or they’re daily mail readers who think there’s a paedo on every corner? Or they’ve been abused themselves?

I have been sexually assaulted once. By a female. It hasn’t made me think all women are possible sexual predators. Plus I was an adult and even if someone is a sexual predator it doesn’t make them a paedophile.

What it has done is make me look at safeguarding very very carefully. What is the nursery’s nappy change policy? Does it give a potential abuser an opportunity? Playgrounds at school, are there places a child could be taken- other children are increasing abusing peers. Does the sports coach interact with students on social media or send emails without cc’ing a parent?

If you stop men changing nappies, do you give female abusers more opportunity? Women are more likely to be trusted, and safeguarding policies less enforced if only women are doing intimate care.

What to we do about all the foster dads, care home workers etc? I knew a very lovely man who started fostering late in life, short term respite for disabled children. Should we be questioning his motives?

If you are that concerned about your child being abused, why distrust only males? Yes the chance of female abuse is less, but it happens. So why allow that small risk?

@TheProdigalKittensReturn
“a bit of csa

(just a bit, mind)

It's amazing what people reveal about themselves unintentionally.”

Nope, that was perfectly intentional on my part and is worded as “a bit” because csa is only 8% of child abuse cases. Yet the entire focus in this thread justifying banning men from working with babies and children is on that 8% of abuse. Completely ignoring that 92% of abuse is neglect and physical abuse (physical abuse is more than double CSA at 17%).
When you look at 100% of child abuse cases, the majority of perpetrators are in fact women. Women do the most neglect, the most physical abuse. It is only when it comes to 8% of child abuse, the csa abuse, that men become the majority of perpetrators. They are 77% of csa abusers...yes almost 1 in 4 child sexual abuse is done by a woman.

It is sexism that has this thread and posters wailing about men being predators of children based on only looking at 8% of child abuse. So yes, CSA at 8% is only “a bit” of entire picture that is child abuse.

Huh. Normally when someone is caught out admitting that they don't think CSA is that big a deal their response isn't YEAH YOU"RE RIGHT THAT IS INDEED WHAT I MEANT TO SAY.

The MRA bat signal must have gone out recently.

But here we are back again , to women having to justify and have some approved list of reasons as to why they are wary of men.

Do men do this? Are they sitting there asking themselves why some women feel this way? The answer is no. They dont hey it and they dont care and all they do is play the victim of nasty disgusting women.

And here we are helping them.out with " this happened to me and I'm ok " " NAMALT" "women do it to"

You know those are exactly the reasons we have men in women's prisons now . Because the women assult eachither too so it's ok to up the risk.by putting men.there.

Would I request a female staff member? Probably not. I am.fortunate enough to have made it to adulthood unscathed enough ( not completely. But enough) to not really give it much thought in the context its presented itself in.

I sent dd away in 2 residentials with Male teachers present. I would love to see more men in child care and primary teaching.

That doesnt stip me though from.understanding the thought process .

Amd perhaps i should be more wary if I'm honest. Because the amount of situations that could have gone bad that I've put myself in , in.some.determined attempt to prove everyone wrong and that this man would not do anything or it will all be ok.is ridiculous....

Kitten
Again, you are deliberately taking me out of context.
I was not minimising csa. I have been a victim of it, I know how bad it is. But it doesn’t kill you.
CSA is only 8% of all child abuse. It is quite literally “a bit” or “a fraction” compared to the other 92% of child abuse that can and actually does result in child death.

What a croc..

Out of the sexual abuse cases reported to CPS in 2013, 47,000 men and 5,000 women were the alleged perpetrators.

In 88% of the sexual abuse claims that CPS substantiates or finds supporting evidence of, the perpetrator is male. In 9% of cases they are female, and 3% are unknown.

And these days even the womens state are skewed for obvious reasons... 4 words have the crimes documented as having been done by women

It is only when it comes to 8% of child abuse, the csa abuse, that men become the majority of perpetrators

Yet you harangue parents on this board for objecting to males changing their child’s nappy?!?
Keep posting. We all see you.

I can think of 2 high profile pedophiles who worked in nurseries and both were female. Absolutely ridiculous.

Their first thought is "poor me" not anger or disgust at the men that have helped give them the poor name.

Is it really? I mean, really?
Every time there is a news story about CSA in my local paper, the comments section is full of men saying "hang the bastard", "disgusting animal" or variations of that.
Every single time.

If I trust that there is adequate safeguarding in place, I would have no issue.

But my friends who work in private nurseries do not have 2 people present for nappy changing. I am not happy to solely rely on a dbs check.

The other types of abuse indicated are predominantly committed in the home. My daughter did get smacked at a nursery, I reported it and removed her. I had a male childminder for my son, he neglected him rather than other forms of assault. I removed him. My youngest did not go in to a child care setting at all.

My male relatives are not keen to change nappies at all.

Very few cases of CSA are reported but I have been alive for a sufficient length of time to hear from real people in real life who have experienced CSA. Mostly by men. Do I choose to take that risk without safety measures? No I do not.

Many of us have been victims of CSA and male perpetrated sexual violence but have been unable to seek justice. To deny that this is a risk is a choice.

Shame they cant put their money where their mouth is though.

Look after their own kids on their days off so they dont have to go to nursery. Or give up their hobby once in a while so the wife doesn't have to drop the kid off at a nursery or neighbours or uncle Pauls house...

It's just words...that's all it ever is

Even the screename is an attempt at provocation.