Sheffield strip club keeps licence despite opposition by feminist coalition

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From the way the Guardian reports it (but does anyone think their reporting is unbiased) the undercover filming that campaigners organised has worked against them.

I think the licence will be reviewer again in a year. Have a horrible feeling that if it hadn't been "feminists" campaigning but "local" people the council would have acted differently. The patriarchy likes to be seen to slapping down uppity women.

They didn't even value the opinion of the local Rape Crisis Centre which works nearby.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/17/sheffield-strip-club-keeps-licence-despite-opposition-by-feminist-coalition

Oh yeah, because every town has a club where tragic middle aged women can go to paw ‘butlers in the buff’

Kin Ell, on here you get the word tragic paired with middle aged women.
Do I get to insinuate you're a man for that corker?
Women are allowed to like different things, have different opinions as we're not all one blob.

LangCleg

So it’s fine to film women, semi naked and naked, without their consent as long as they it’s not shared publicly?! Or if it’s used for ‘the greater good’ as decided by a group of people with no legal authority to make or undertake such a decision? That’s a very worrying precedent indeed.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly

You stated no men did similar work to fund their way through education, I gave you examples from my own experience where they did. You are now extrapolating this to compare to German super brothels as my experience of men doing what you stated they didn’t wasn’t aligned with the outraged point you were trying to make.

I haven’t once said that men do this work in comparable amounts to women, I was simply correcting your earlier assumption that no men have undertaken similar work to fund their way through education.

Of course we are Roses, you can have whatever Anti-Woman opinions you like, including that the sex industry is a positive thing for women. But you will be challenged on that steaming horseshit on a feminist forum. Because feminism etc.

Feminism isn't about empowering women to make whatever choices they like with no regard to how those choices negatively affect many, many other women. And continuing to centre the male orgasm over other women because you enjoyed it and made some cash, isn't feminism, so I don't give much of a monkey's if you disagree.

This in big flashing neon letters.

Or if it’s used for ‘the greater good’

How else do you think evidence of licence breaches is acquired?

I notice that you fail to mention why this industry is regulated via licences: to prevent illegal acts and exploitation of women.

Funny, that.

Of course it is illegal to film in a strip club.

We can't have illegal practices being recorded can we?

What's the worst illegal, recording the practices or the practices themselves?

Give you a clue: the one that puts men in a bad light. Bad bad women, shining a light on that. Lock the witches up.

Mustn't have a regulatory regime that is capable of providing evidence in an industry vulnerable to exploitation, hidden prostitution, and people trafficking.

Perish the thought.

When universities are setting up stalls at careers fairs aimed at recruiting male students to the ‘sex industry’ (you know that industry where 60% of the workers have been raped while working in the ‘industry’), then come back and try that equivalence gag again Kate

Butlers in the fucking buff

I wonder why young men don't choosy choice to 'fund their way through college' by being perved over by middle aged women?

There isn't as much market for it, is the plain and simple answer.
There are some cases where men do it because there is some market for it, but not as much as there is for perving at young women.

So it’s fine to film women, semi naked and naked, without their consent as long as they it’s not shared publicly?! Or if it’s used for ‘the greater good’ as decided by a group of people with no legal authority to make or undertake such a decision? That’s a very worrying precedent indeed

Completely agree with all of this

There isn't as much market for it, is the plain and simple answer

Ok, that’s a good start

Now shall we speculate about why?

Now shall we speculate about why?

Much more complex to answer and to do with things like socialisation, male entitlement (because of socialisation), female shame (because of socialisation), female fear, etc.

LangCleg

How else do you think evidence of licence breaches is acquired?

Most of the clubs I’ve worked in have policies which deal with this, including the use of cameras which have a number of very strict policies governing their use and the subsequent use of any footage they take. These policies were made explicitly clear and I signed a consent form to show I understood and most importantly consented to how they were used. Women in breach of licence regulations were subsequently either given warnings or asked to leave depending on the severity of the breach. As was the case in Sheffield.

I notice that you fail to mention why this industry is regulated via licences: to prevent illegal acts and exploitation of women.

Surely all industries are regulated to prevent illegal acts? It’s not unique to lap dancing. Likewise many organisations have begun to instigate policies which help prevent the exploitation of workers.

Not only do users of the nearby Rape Crisis object to the club, a woman who used to run her own business opposite the club has been forced to close due to harassment by punters. I don't see any of the outraged 'inclusive' feminists speaking out for her.

So its not as simple as 'don't like it don't visit'. It spills out on to the street. It affects men's attitudes towards women, and that affects their behaviour towards women.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/29/sheffield-strip-club-protesters-triumph-in-judicial-review-spearmint-rhino

Surely all industries are regulated to prevent illegal acts?

Yes. So why are you objecting to the highlighting of regulatory failure?

The whistleblowing videos aren't on Porn Hub, FFS.

But y'know: if you want regulatory failure to go unnoticed or unaddressed, you crack on love.

to do with things like socialisation, male entitlement (because of socialisation), female shame (because of socialisation), female fear, etc

Which makes it all the more baffling that a bunch of super inclusive feminists have turned up to defend the ‘right’ of women to choosy choice to pander to male entitlement and keep contributing to the vast differences in male and female socialisation

Funny sort of feminism, that

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly

I didn’t try an ‘equivalence gag’- I merely gave you some examples from my experience which contradicted your initial claim. I wasn’t trying to undermine you I was simply pointing out that I’ve worked with men who’ve done this. I can’t really understand why I’m getting such vitriol from people purely for stating my experiences.

I can confirm that it's not shame or fear that's preventing me from hiring young men to wiggle their bums in my face, it's lack of desire to engage in that kind of power dynamic, which I would find deeply unsexy.

Can the Woke not find a new word? Vitriol is so overused.

Your on a feminism board Kate

If you advocate actions that harm women you’re likely to get a bit of a hard time. Goes with the territory

Vile also.

LangCleg

Yes. So why are you objecting to the highlighting of regulatory failure?

Because it was done without the consent of the women being filmed- surely this is really basic stuff?!

Wrong you’re

Oh the shame

Because it was done without the consent of the women being filmed

Would have made it tricky to make the film though right?

When uncovering issues at other work places should the consent of all staff be sought first?

Or was it different in this case?

Is it possible that ‘sex work’ isn’t ‘work’ after all?

Because it was done without the consent of the women being filmed- surely this is really basic stuff?!

Ya'd think