McKinnon Twitter - dancing on grave GIF

[TwigletsQueen]

Sick b***d.

mobile.twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1172560435683495943?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Thank you Becky, good call

and now I can go back to ignoring the abusive, controlling, cheating man who posted that tweet.

Let us not be too grateful here for what MN has done. It is only a start and they have undone a great wrong. The deletion of the thread was outrageous in so many ways and the deletion message...shocking.

I am glad that MN has started to look more closely at this. To me though, the whole issue of policing and coercing women's speech needs to be addressed.

Good decision by MNHQ.

We really need to remember what this board is for. It's for feminists. Not all feminists agree, obviously, but we should be free to express all views, including the view that an adult male person is a man.

I think it's a fact, rather than a matter of opinion, that anyone posting the revolting hate filled shit like that GIF (and previous vile posts) is a cunt. It's also a fact than then trying to deny it and back-pedal, makes them a coward.

It is just a fact that McKinnon is a cunt and a coward as well as a man, and we should not be silenced for stating these facts. We should keep speaking up and our voices should be heard.

"in this circumstance, it's understandable that people will feel angry in response to this tasteless tweet." This isn't an isolated circumstance, this is just another symptom of the situation (and the abuse, and the people!) GC women are facing. If our anger is understandable here, it's understandable everywhere surely? Or is there a cut off, saying a man is a man is not OK, and we must call him a woman, unless they are especially vile and we are especially angry? Then it's understandable and OK

I don't think MNHQ can make a clear decision on what constitutes special circumstances which are bad enough us to allow us to be angry. How on earth do you define something like that?

Surely it would be easier, and fairer, to just allow us to state that a man is a man without this being dependent on their behaviour?

Hopefully this might be the tipping point where MNHQ realise the folly of their arbitrary policies and allow us to state facts. I really really fucking hope so.

I am going to link to the discussion thread about its previous deletion, just for the record.

MNHQ I am trying to be helpful to saying this and hopefully it’s what you are already going to be doing: if this was a judgement call and resulting public response made at some places, early next week senior managers and a cross section of the relevant team would be investigating it as a incident. As part of the process looking at possible causes and ultimately reviewing the moderation policy (and well as the practical application of the policy at evenings and weekends etc) to prevent repeats and concluding with feedback of the results of the process. I really hope you can do this MNHQ.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691709-Hey-FWR-We-need-both-sides-to-live-with-some-compromise

The odd thing about McKinnon’s ‘defence’ is that if you type ‘dance on a grave gif’ or ‘dance on your grave gif’ into Google, then the gif that they tweeted comes up immediately.

If you type in ‘Friday 13th gif’ into Google then it does not come up - the gifs that do come up are quite different. So not conclusive, but another damning indication of their true motivations.

Obviously they are a hateful, loathsome individual. But if they feel that strongly about Magdalen that they celebrated her death then at least own it. Because now McKinnon has shown themselves to be a coward, as well as a scumbag.

The more I type, the angrier I get that once again a woman's ability to speak is dependent on a man's behaviour. If that isn't the very definition of us being censored and silenced by men, I don't know what is.

I do hope this is the point where MNHQ actually realise this and allow us to speak up freely. That would be a proper "tribute" (sorry, very mawkish) to Magdalen, and very fitting seeing as she was such a fucking fabulous legend.

Yes he is a vile coward.

I am confused as to what rubicon a trans person has to cross in order for us to be able to refer to their sex.

It seems to be that the general consensus is that they’re a cunt, or they are a criminal, but that does seem to skate a bit near to being “not really trans”, doesn’t it?

I’m not trying to be awkward, I’m trying to understand.

I do hope this is the point where MNHQ actually realise this and allow us to speak up freely. That would be a proper "tribute" (sorry, very mawkish) to Magdalen, and very fitting seeing as she was such a fucking fabulous legend

Indeed.

If there is a Friday the 13th tradition it's watching stupid slasher films from the 80s, not celebrating the death of people who've said things you don't like on the internet.

Which, again, let's remind everyone, is what's actually happening here. Words on the internet, which apparently justify wishing death on someone, and curiously this pattern only seems to operate in one direction.

I agree Sophocles. The only answer is to stop censoring women's speech and allow us to call a man a man. No TW is female, it is not possible.
So whether they are good guys or bad guys we should be able to call them what they are - men.

Obviously they are a hateful, loathsome individual. But if they feel that strongly about Magdalen that they celebrated her death then at least own it. Because now McKinnon has shown themselves to be a coward, as well as a scumbag.

I don't think McKinnon is doing that out of cowardice. The obvious reversal and the gaslighting are part of the attraction. Duping delight. It's essential to keep that front and centre in dealings with abusive individuals like this.

The irony is that we're generally allowed to call the 'good guys' men because they realise it's damaging to some women to be forced to do otherwise.

Friday 13th google image search. No dancing skeleton anywhere, try it for yourself.

'Dancing on grave gif' google image search. The first result.

The irony is that we're generally allowed to call the 'good guys' men because they realise it's damaging to some women to be forced to do otherwise.

The problem there is that if one accepts that then one accepts the idea that what category a person fits into is at the discretion of the person themselves to decide (well, if the person has or had testicles, the rest of us have never been given that sort of authority to name ourselves), which is simply not how either biology or society works.

Just sticking our beaks in to request the misgendering stops - the thread is already full of holes so if we can keep using initials or names rather than pronouns that would be great.

It's not misgendering, it's correctly sexing.

And even if it is misgendering, fuck the evil, arrogant, narcissistic piece of shit that is McKinnon.

Yep. The misgendering rule is unworkable. If you're going to do judgement call moderation rather than hard & fast rules (and I have a strong preference for the latter) then what we need is a judgement call based on whether the misgendered individual was ever likely to engage in reasonable debate, even if danced around according to their preferences.

Sure, there's nuance, there are people who might come to the table who otherwise wouldn't if we are circumspect about our terminology - but Cyclepath? Seriously? He has openly stated he expects complete capitulation from women and wishes harm on the non-compliant. He's an overt misogynist.

Oops - I’m blocked from seeing the content Twitter. Have to look from the work one.

I agree @kalinkafoxtrot45 he’s giving himself enough rope. Let the peaking commence.

It really is curious that when a man posts about celebrating the death of a woman, we have to still pretend that he is a she, for fear of upsetting him; when he was gleefully posting about the death of a woman.

It is insanity when we cannot accurately point out hate, because we are pretending that the person that posted the hate is from the same class as the person being targeted. When he is in no way part of the same class as this woman.

Not being allowed to point out male rage and violence. On a forum that was founded, run and frequented by women. It is insanity.

Just popped up to say that McKinnon is a man, and a monsterous cunt. And I hope he’s reading this.