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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

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BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:33

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/09/2019 22:37

Derailing is better than groundhog day, imo.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/09/2019 22:37

If we responded with "well you're a whiny baby" we'd get deleted, wouldn't we?

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 16/09/2019 22:39

I remain as baffled as ever as to what people who spend endless amounts of time hanging out in a space full of people they think are horrible trying to persuade those people to change completely get out of that behavior.

I dont really understand

There are a number of posters that i dont want to engage with and i ignore them...i find them unpleasant and rude and I ignore them

So if a poster finds some of the requlars unpleasant and rude, why dont they just ignore them

Unless of course they dislike everyone on FWR,..in which case they are bang out of luck

LangCleg · 16/09/2019 22:41

I remain as baffled as ever as to what people who spend endless amounts of time hanging out in a space full of people they think are horrible trying to persuade those people to change completely get out of that behavior.

It's the current favoured Bunbury MO, I'm afraid.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/09/2019 22:41

It'd be like me going to a rugby match even though I hate rugby and then complaining about why nobody was playing tennis.

popehilarious · 16/09/2019 22:48

I dunno, I can sort of see how that person got their back up but they didn't help themselves. Maybe I assume too much good faith. I think posting to the point then disengaging was a good tactic (lang!).

Probably not wording that too well. I think there is a certain amount of thick skin needed for MN in general and when you're the target of many posts even if well-intended it can begin to feel a bit overwhelming if you're of a sensitive sort or not really used to it (again, projecting from my own experiences both here and elsewhere). In that case it can help for any poster feeling got-at to actually take a break rather than defend every point.

TinselAngel · 16/09/2019 22:49

Or me going onto an R n B forum and berating them for not talking about prog rock?

LangCleg · 16/09/2019 22:51

The current favoured mode of disruption is to post the same complaint over and over again with some DARVO victim narrative thrown in. Thread after thread to 40 pages with it.

Draw your own conclusions about today!

BarbaraStrozzi · 16/09/2019 22:51

May I refer my fellow Bunburyists to my second post on page one, especially the final paragraph?

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littlbrowndog · 16/09/2019 22:54

I call it being a whiny fucker

popehilarious · 16/09/2019 22:56

what do you call someone who tries to find middle ground on the 'middle ground' thread, cos i think that's me Grin

LangCleg · 16/09/2019 22:58

Prolonging the agony?

popehilarious · 16/09/2019 23:00
Sad
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/09/2019 23:02

I call that unrealistically optimistic.

LangCleg · 16/09/2019 23:08

Look, some people are just putting their heads above the parapet and want to engage in good faith. Some just want to disrupt the board. It takes a while to get the hang of it but once you have the difference is blindingly obvious. As you can see from Barbara's second post on the thread.

popehilarious · 16/09/2019 23:09

I've only just clicked into some of the other FWR threads from today so some things become clearer. I wasn't bringing anything from other threads into this one so just took it at face value. Can see why the same subject playing repeatedly contributed to the middle ground thread going the way it did. (I don't think (?) it was the same posters but it's one of the downsides of communication via forum that the voices tend to blur, at least in my experience)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 16/09/2019 23:11

Also if someone is getting themselves stuck in a negative behavioral loop it's not actually anyone else's job to get them out of it, and if they're flailing and kicking at anyone who does try then most will just give up.

LangCleg · 16/09/2019 23:16

Pope - you're not listening. It's not today. It's every day. Why else do you think Bunbury is on its fourth thread?

FWR is plagued by deliberate forum disruptors. Stick around long enough and you'll spot them on page one of a thread too.

popehilarious · 16/09/2019 23:22

I know, I'm usually the one despairing that people don't ignore obvious derailers.

Honestly, in this case, what the OP and some of what Novembers said resonated with me, in that I've felt the same before. And for me it only took one or two posters (probably you, lang!) to post quick, direct and to-the-point comments that put me on the right path.
So, I personally felt they were unlikely to be deliberate disruptors, although one has - intentionally or not - become one. I don't mind if we disagree on this particular point of where to stop engaging. but I'm leaving it for now.

BickerinBrattle · 17/09/2019 02:20

Well, I added to the thread before I saw this one.

Next time I’ll check this one first.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/09/2019 04:01

Really though? Are we sure the reason women don't have rights isn't because feminists are mean? What about if the person insisting so for the 587th time is in a boat on a moat while wearing a coat?

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 17/09/2019 07:52

pope

If its any help i tend to do the same thing

I tend to take people at face value and at one point i ...(nicely!) told a poster that i felt that ‘the distrupter’ wasnt being threatening that he was just misunderstood

Oh the shame...the crosspost from the threatening disrupter left no doubt

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/09/2019 07:56

Today's theme seems to be "at one point I entered a conversation here and wasn't given the deference that I feel I deserve, and I've been on an Inigo Montoya like quest for revenge ever since".

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 17/09/2019 07:58

My name is inigo montoya

You killed my father

Prepare to die

(You were mean to me on a feminism thread doesnt have the same ring, so i stuck with the original quote)

BarbaraStrozzi · 17/09/2019 07:59

Prod Grin

Having hidden the thread, I can now rely on your much more entertaining updates.

It's like reading the parliamentary sketch in the newspaper rather than devoting 3 hours to watching the parliament channel. GrinGrin

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