Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

[BarbaraStrozzi]

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Beware of short men under the bridge tonight, someone might trip!

Hope you are OK NotTerf I was avoiding bumping the thread and giving attention. But I’ve also resolved to be cautious next time I see an improbable OP, in case it’s the same tactic.

Would responding to a sealion with "arf arf" be considered a deleteable and strikeable offense on AIBU? I'm sure it would be here, if a person who feels they have a gender identity complained.

I was also watching that Notterf
It did occur to me how very similar your sealion on that thread is to a previous poster on here - a roly..... who used to post endless streams of drivel that completely convoluted and sucked the energy (not to mention the meaning) out of a thread.

Sometimes sea lions sound like they’re barking.

I tend to assume that all disruptors return with new names almost immediately. Many of them have distinctive posting styles.

Happy Sunday, everyone

Happy Sunday Sophocles!
With both the Mail and the Sunday Times carrying gc articles, I started my morning nodding in agreement.

It did occur to me how very similar your sealion on that thread is to a previous poster on here

Maybe! When it finally twigged that this person was 'sealioning' and not just thick as mince, two or three other people jumped in to confirm it... don't think I'll be engaging with that person again!

The Sunday Times seems to be continuing their analysis of the issue without Gilligan, I always assumed it was led by him but perhaps it is a Times decision.

I think a few journalists are joining forces so to speak; Euan (Ewan?) Wrote a piece on a tra book for children in schools for the telegraph this week.

The Sunday Times seems to be continuing their analysis of the issue without Gilligan, I always assumed it was led by him but perhaps it is a Times decision.

He was a significant part of it, but by no means the whole. There are several journalists/columnists in the Times/ST stable who have written good stuff on the issues over the years.

Did the thread about moderation disappear? Perhaps as a result of reinstating the deleted thread which it was about ?

No it's still there in my "threads I'm on". Last posted on early this morning.

This one? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691709-Hey-FWR-We-need-both-sides-to-live-with-some-compromise

Oops sorry, yes that’s it - thank you

Tiresome.

Even at the price of missing the sloe gin recipes, I have resorted to the hide thread button. Much as it pains me to entertain suspicions of people who may well be perfectly above board and acting from the most earnest and blameless of motives, nonetheless I am not quite able to shake the suspicion that there may be people around who are not posting in good faith.

I’m feeling a bit guilty about derailing the thread

But i think someone derailed before me so its only a bit guilty

Is it the right time of year for Sloe gin making?

Yes it is tinsel

But a lot of sloe berrys have gone from our favourite haunt

I do live in quite a middle class area though 😀 so every bugger is probably at it

We used to make sloe gin, years ago, and it was lovely. I don't know why we stopped.

(may be hangover related).

Seem to be a lot of blackberries around for black berry gin

I do have some sloes in the freezer...i just don’t think i need 3 bottles of sloe gin

Or maybe i do

There's a hide thread button??!

I remain as baffled as ever as to what people who spend endless amounts of time hanging out in a space full of people they think are horrible trying to persuade those people to change completely get out of that behavior. Has their experience been that if you walk into a room and go "I hate the wallpaper and the furniture is dire, someone else should fix that" people do so just because they asked? Even if the other people liked the original decor?

I remain as baffled as ever as to what people who spend endless amounts of time hanging out in a space full of people they think are horrible trying to persuade those people to change completely get out of that behavior.

That's because you're making the mistake of taking what they say is their motivation for their actual motivation.

Their actual motivation is a thread-length passive aggressive way of saying "you're all big horrible meanies." Then enjoying when people get defensive.