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Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 4

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BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:33

Thought it was time for another of these. I'll just cut-and-paste the opening of the last thread:

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

This is a continuation of the first Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3438714-Bunbury-s-Public-Service-Announcement-2

Thread 3 was deleted with this note from MNHQ; We're sure there will be a Bunbury 4 around soon, but we'd be grateful if we could draw a line under the issues raised in this thread if there's to be a new one.

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we’ve had several community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the first posts on thread 2 (linked above) but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

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BarbaraStrozzi · 04/12/2019 22:03

Sorry to see you go Floral. You will be missed. But I totally understand.

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nauticant · 04/12/2019 22:15

Respect to you Floral. Fight the good fight in your own way.

theflushedzebra · 04/12/2019 22:16

Flowers Floral

You'll be missed. Come back when you can Wine

YellaHumberElla · 04/12/2019 22:21

Oh no, Floral. I hate that you feel this way, hate that anyone should find themselves unable to speak.

I’ll miss your posts. Strength to you.

Mamello · 04/12/2019 22:22

Floral. Your posts were always ones I could relate to. I am sorry to see you go.

LangCleg · 04/12/2019 22:25

Sad Floral.

I'll say this: the politicians are way behind the zeitgeist on this and so are the guidelines.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 04/12/2019 22:53

No! Floral..... wail!

midcenturylegs · 04/12/2019 23:15

🌹

Creepster · 04/12/2019 23:37

Dear Floral, we cannot keep losing experts like yourself to the mods over zealousness. It is very worrying.

theflushedzebra · 04/12/2019 23:46

Creepster, you are right. That's why I'm still here. Trying to put my arguments into a format that doesn't break the guidelines - sometimes failing.

I'll be here as long the TRAs get angsty about MN and try to shut it down. Anything the TRAs try to shut down is worth being part of.

ScapaFlo · 05/12/2019 00:02

I'm so sorry to see you go. You were one of the ones who persuaded me to de-lurk here and start joining in and also add my voice in real life.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2019 00:03

Floral Thanks

Thelnebriati · 05/12/2019 00:04

Oh no, Floral Flowers

Melroses · 05/12/2019 00:11

Flowers Floral

You have been much loved and listened to.

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/12/2019 00:34

Solidarity Floral and thank you for everything. Flowers

There is I think a philosophical divide between admin & many users, makes it hard

It is chilling, what gets deleted from here sometimes.

2BthatUnnoticed · 05/12/2019 00:35

Will miss you , hope you can maybe take a break and then come back , but also totally understand if you can’t- do what is best for you Flowers

7Days · 05/12/2019 00:52

Ah Floral.
I dont contribute much but I read nearly everything.
Your posts have always been informative.
But its understandable why you'd need a break.
Hopefully you can come back after a while.

Agrona · 05/12/2019 01:02

Floral, I will miss your wit and intelligence but understand your reasons. Sorry to see you leave.

GrinitchSpinach · 05/12/2019 01:34

Oh, Floral. Flowers

Any chance of seeing you on another platform?

NewDrillParadox · 05/12/2019 03:21

Floral, as a very frequent (too frequent lurker) here - I just hope to get this in before you vanish. I have always found your posts interesting and insightful and full of a new perspective for me. Thanks for all your postings here, I will very much miss reading them! All the best in the new year!

Floisme · 05/12/2019 07:20

Flora you bugger, you've only just come back! I'm sorry you're going and we will really miss your insights and your sharp mind. You're right though - new people step up all the time.

Hope you can still pop back and see us from time to time - it will really annoy the monitors if you do!

MIdgebabe · 05/12/2019 07:26

Please don't go. If people are trying to shut you up it shows how truly effective you are.
Look after yourself

PurpleCrowbar · 05/12/2019 07:32

Oh no Floral.

Please, just take a break & come back to us?

Cuntysnark · 05/12/2019 07:40

So sad you’re going. Hope things change and you can come back.

FloralBunting · 05/12/2019 08:03

Aw, you lovely bunch. I'm afraid this has to be it. Apart from swearyness and the odd Catholic reference, my skill set here is being able to describe the manipulation techniques used by cults, and the relevance that has to a specific movement mentioned here a lot. I have one strike remaining due to suddenly now not being to do that. Personally, my life is extremely full and challenging, and I am struggling emotionally with the demands of a capricious reporting system here, and I have to protect myself.

I'm not being chased off or banned, I'm just choosing to put a full stop to what I consider the facilitation of proxy abusiveness, and as ever, the responsibility for abuse lies solely with the abuser.

But honestly, this is ok. This is what happens because we can't all carry everything all the time. I have every faith that the brilliant regulars will keep being tenacious, and that new lurkers step up all the time. This isn't a personality movement - this is about all of us pulling together, because of the simple commonality of our sex.